Re: HARDWARE HELL - POSSIBLE LINUX BUG AND/OR HARDWARE FAILURE ?

From: jjs@mail-tele.ccbc.cc.pa.us
Date: Tue Feb 15 2000 - 16:16:26 EST


Yes but it also did this with only a 5.7 gig hd

But I appreciate the advice, I will take any advice I can get at this
point

Jason Salopek

On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Jeff V. Merkey wrote:

>
> Turning off the L2 cache just means you made everything run slower, and
> changed the timing so the bug doesn't happen. There could be geometry
> problems with your drive and the versions of Linux/Windows you are
> using. You may want to try upgrading to the latest and greatest stuff,
> and see if you problems persist. There were problems in the recent past
> with very large drives that got fixed, though I have not heard of 10GB
> drives giving folks fits for a while.
>
> Jeff
>
> jjs@mail-tele.ccbc.cc.pa.us wrote:
> >
> > First of all, I sincerely apolgise for being off topic here and I don't
> > want to bother the great work you guys are doing on the linux kernel and
> > system but this is a problem I been dealing with for 6 months or so and I
> > am desperate for a answer. Personally I would be happy if my computer
> > were to burst into flames, at least then I would know what I have to
> > replace. IF YOU ARE TOO BUSY TO HELP WITH A HARDWARE PROBLEM, PLEASE DON'T
> > WASTE YOUR TIME AND READ ON :) I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE BUSY
> >
> > Oh I forgot to mention I fix pc's for a living and been using linux for
> > almost 4 yrs so I am not a newbie.
> >
> > MY SYSTEM
> >
> > -AMD K6-2 400 BOXED CPU (NEVER OVERCLOCKED)
> > -SOYO 5EHM MOTHERBOARD - VIA MVP3 CHIPSET, AT STYLE 1 MEG L2 CACHE
> > -2 32 MEG PC100 DIMMS
> > -WESTERN DIGITAL 10 GIG HD UDMA33, (ALSO HAD THE
> > PROBLEM WITH A MAXTOR 5.7 UDMA33 WAS IN THERE INSTEAD)
> > -CREATIVE LABS TNT 16 MEG AGP 2D/3D CARD - NVIDIA TNT CHIPSET
> > -AUREAL VORTEX1 CHIPSET PCI SOUNDCARD (ALSO HAD THE PROBLEM WITH A
> > ENSONIQ AUDIOPCI ES1370 SOUNDCARD IN THERE INSTEAD)
> > -NETGEAR FA310TX 10/100 PCI NETWORK CARD - PNIC TULIP CLONE CHIPSET
> > -NO CDROM CURRENTELY INSTALLED DUE TO FAILURE
> >
> > If my wording looks weird or does not make sense it's because my nerves
> > are shot over this. Please feel free to ask me what something means
> >
> > [Software]
> > WINDOWS 98
> > Slackware 7.0 BARE.I bootdisk glibc based distro and Slackware 4.0 rescue
> > rootdisk libc based distro. GNU SHRED from unstable fileutils series
> > statically compiled in a redhat 5.x or 6.0 glibc system.
> >
> > Okay I few months ago while doing a disk shred for various reasons
> > (no not porn or hacking darnit!) using GNU shred, a file/device shreder,
> > Linux just suddentely crashed for no apprentely reason. From then on,
> > win98 began to just freeze after sitting for a while or while doing
> > something intensive like a 3d game or demo. Linux off a bootdisk would
> > sometimes fail to uncompress the kernel due to crc errors or refuse to
> > load a ramdisk due to invalid size, both of which point to memory
> > problems. Windows 98 or Linux would just sometimes reboot by themselves in
> > the middle of stuff. Windows98 would sometimes bomb for no apprentely
> > reason. The system would sometimes even crash before it started loading a
> > os and would freeze in the middle of printing a bios message sentance.
> > Sometimes reseating the ram, playing with buss speeds, etc would seem to
> > make the problem go away but this was always temporary. Well after many
> > months of problems I finally got desperate and took the system compleately
> > apart, cleaned all the pci card contacts and dimm memory contacts with a
> > eraser and then scrubbed the pci cards, motherboard, cpu, and memory all
> > with a toothbrush and isopropyl alchol. From then on the system ran fine
> > with no problems. That lasted only a few months as we will soon see.
> >
> > About a month ago while doing a disk shred, the problem appeared again
> > and Linux just oop'ed in the middle of running GNU shred, sometimes, it
> > would just crash the program, many times the whole kernel would crash with
> > "unable to handle null pointer at virtual address, etc" or "stack dump
> > process ........" (correct me if I got the messages wrong). I have not
> > had windows98 back on the system since the crashes started again so I
> > don't know if the problem is back there also but I do know it's not a
> > power supply, a pci card or a hard drive bug because all those parts have
> > been swapped out before when the problem arose and the problem was still
> > there although sometimes it would go away for a while. Just a few days
> > ago now, Linux has also begun to blow major chunks just doing a dd
> > if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=1024k on my 10
> > gig hd with the process crashing or the whole kernel dying or rebooting.
> > I managed one time to get a weird error about LRU TABLE CORRUPT or
> > something
> >
> > After many runs to try to duplicate the problem I finally managed to
> > get enough consistant crashes to discover that when the system starts to
> > get into one of it's "moods" and crashes almost every time you boot linux
> > and run that problem or even just turn on the system and have it crash
> > into the middle of bios messages, ALL THE PROBLEMS STOP IF YOU DISABLE THE
> > EXTERNAL L2 CACHE. I figured I finally found the source of the problem, a
> > bad l2 cache but to be sure I played with the ram, first removing 1 of the
> > dimms and it still crashed, then moving the other dimm to that slot and it
> > was stable. Now the system is behaving with both dimms in but it has
> > pretended to be fixed before and started misbehaving very soon. I also
> > noticed the problem seems to go away for a while if the system if left off
> > for a while but nothing is overheating from what I can tell.
> >
> > OKAY!!!! lemme finally end this horribly long message but I am desperate
> > for advice. I really suspect the motherboard is shot since I had the ram
> > tested and it was okay. I also forgot to mention that my k6-2 400 is a
> > boxed cpu which means while you get a 3yr warrenty, you also get a glued
> > on small heatsink and a cheap ball bearing fan that even with ball
> > bearings only lasted me 1.5 months. Since I did not want to wait for a
> > warrenty replacement and I did not want to have to use a fan of the same
> > crap size and design, I attempted to pry off the glued on heatsink so I
> > could use a better heatsink fan combo, and I managed to chip ceremanic off
> > the corner of the cpu. There were no exposed wires or silicon and after
> > I replaced the fan the systems worked fine for months after that. I am
> > very tempted to just replace the motherboard and see if this stops the
> > problems I am having but I wanted to make sure that it's not another
> > problem that is giving the same symptoms of a bad motherboard. Thanks for
> > any help and God Bless.
> >
> > P.S. if this letter gets me booted off the mailing list or is ignored, I
> > understand completely but this was my last ditch cry for help before I
> > give up and jump off a bridge or save up for a athlon.
> >
> > Jason Salopek
> >
> >
> >
> >
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