Re: [Dri-devel] Re: [Linux-fbdev-devel] DRM and pci_driver conversion

[Jeff Garzik]

On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 04:37:30PM +0200, Ingo Oeser wrote:
> On Saturday 25 October 2003 21:17, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> > Graphics processors are growing more general, too -- moving towards
> > generic vector/data processing engines.  I bet you'll see an optimal
> > model emerge where you have some sort of "JIT" for GPU microcode in
> > userspace.  Multiple apps pipeline X/GL/hardware commands into the JIT,
> > which in turn pipelines data and microcode commands to the GPU kernel
> > driver.
> 
> These "JIT" is needed also for another reason: 
> 
> 	There are contraints for GPU commands and the pipelines need to
> 	be modelled, like CPU piplines are modelled in a compiler. But
> 	more like the pipelines of some early long instruction word
> 	processors, where issuing to a used pipeline will cause random
> 	behavior and crashes. So the JIT doesn't should also emit
> 	synchronization points. 
> 
> With this JIT in place, there need to be just some hardware description
> files (backends) and some API (GL, DirectX, X) description files
> (frontends).

I agree 60%  ;-)   This JIT emits GPU-specific microcode, so it should
lean towards being hardware-dependent.  Speed and efficiency IMO demand
that.

Looking at existing, open-source CPU JITs, there are certainly general
pieces and CPU-specific pieces.  But for GPUs, I think the best method
is to start at the more-GPU-specific end of the spectrum, and _evolve_
towards a more general solution, as hardware needs dictate.

In other terms, let the hardware drive the JIT design and evolution, and
don't over-design for a future that may never come.  That was part of
GGI's problem, IMO.


> Now we just need some funding for that and the datasheets. Then it's
> doable.

Yep ;-)


> I see just one showstopper: Cheating in benchmarks isn't possible anymore.
> 
> PS: That's basically the GGI approach taken further.

I followed GGI for a while.  Trying to be all things to all people was
their principle mistake.  As Pat Morita said in Karate Kid,
"Focus, Daniel-san!"  Be specific before general.

	Jeff



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