Re: udev sysfs docs Re: State of devfs in 2.6?

[Jamie Lokier]

Duncan Sands wrote:
> >     2. Keep track of when devices are used, and when they are not busy.
> >        We already have this, it's the module reference count.
> 
> USB modules (eg: xxxx-hcd) are typically set up so they can be
> unloaded at any time: the act of unloading disconnects any devices
> driven by the module and frees resources.  I guess this is
> problematic for your point 2.  I understand that some network
> modules work this way too.

I don't see a problem.  A HCD device such as a keyboard is always
"active" because it must always be listening for keys as long as the
keyboard is plugged in.  You can explicitly "soft unplug" by unloading
the module; the proposal doesn't change that.  (Although it would be a
nice interface to copy the PCMCIA method, where you tell the USB
subsystem to disconnect a device instead of having to know which
module(s) to unload).

I agree that in that case, the device is active regardless of its
module reference count.  They aren't the same thing.

(Taking it further, USB keyboard is an example of a driver that could
be made permanently demand-pageable as all of the code _could_ be
executed in a process context, if USB's callbacks were made to work
that way, but that road is potentially quite a complicated and error
prone one).

A network device is similar as long as its interface is up (if it's a
device).  A protocol module is active as long as it has any active
users, for which various definitions are possible.

Protocol (+ mid-layer, helper modules etc.) show that ideally the
"active" property of a module includes any references to it by other
active modules, which can be interpreted in a simple or a complicated
way, depending on how thoroughly you want modules to be paged out
while still presenting their interfaces in /sys, /dev, /proc,
ifconfig, iptables etc.

-- Jamie
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