Re: boot time, process start time, and NOW time

[George Anzinger]

Tim Schmielau wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Andrew Morton wrote:
>
>
> > OGAWA Hirofumi <hirofumi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > Albert Cahalan <albert@xxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Even with the 2.6.7 kernel, I'm still getting reports of process
> > > > start times wandering. Here is an example:
> > > >
> > > >   "About 12 hours since reboot to 2.6.7 there was already a
> > > >   difference of about 7 seconds between the real start time
> > > >   and the start time reported by ps. Now, 24 hours since reboot
> > > >   the difference is 10 seconds."
> > > >
> > > > The calculation used is:
> > > >
> > > >   now - uptime + time_from_boot_to_process_start
> > >
> > > Start-time and uptime is using different source. Looks like the
> > > jiffies was added bogus lost counts.
> > >
> > > quick hack. Does this change the behavior?
> >
> > Where did this all end up?  Complaints about wandering start times are
> > persistent, and it'd be nice to get some fix in place...
>
>
>
>
> The trouble seems to be due to the patch below, part of a larger cleanup
> (http://linus.bkbits.net:8080/linux-2.5/cset%403ef4851dGg0fxX58R9Zv8SIq9fzNmQ?nav=index.html|src/.|src/fs|src/fs/proc|related/fs/proc/proc_misc.c)
> by George.
>
> Quoting from the changelog entry:
>
> "Changes the uptime code to use the posix_clock_monotonic notion of 
> uptime instead of the jiffies.  This time will track NTP changes and so should 
> be better than your standard wristwatch (if your using ntp)."
>
> George is absolutely right that it's more precise. However, it's also 
> inconsistent with the process start times which use plain uncorrected 
> jiffies. ps stumbles over this inconsistency.
>
> Simple fix: revert the patch below.
> Complicated fix: correct process start times in fork.c (no patch provided, 
> too complicated for me to do).
>
> George?

Hm...  That patch was for a reason...  It seems to me that doing anything short 
of putting "xtime" (or better, clock_gettime() :)) in at fork time is not going 
to fix anything.   As written the start_time in the task_struct is fixed.  If 
"now - uptime + time_from_boot_to_process_start" it is wandering, it must be the 
fault of "now - uptime".  Since this seems to be wandering, and we corrected 
uptime in the referenced patch, is it safe to assume that "now" is actually 
being computed from "jiffies" rather than a gettimeofday()?

Seems like that is where we should be changing things.


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George Anzinger   george@xxxxxxxxxx
High-res-timers:  http://sourceforge.net/projects/high-res-timers/
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