new dev model (was Re: Default cache_hot_time value back to 10ms)
From: Jeff Garzik
Date: Wed Oct 06 2004 - 01:24:57 EST
Andrew Morton wrote:
Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Any thoughts about making -rc's into -pre's, and doing real -rc's?
I think what we have is OK. The idea is that once 2.6.9 is released we
merge up all the well-tested code which is sitting in various trees and has
been under test for a few weeks. As soon as all that well-tested code is
merged, we go into -rc. So we're pipelining the development of 2.6.10 code
with the stabilisation of 2.6.9.
If someone goes and develops *new* code after the release of, say, 2.6.9
then tough tittie, it's too late for 2.6.9: we don't want new code - we
want old-n-tested code. So your typed-in-after-2.6.9 code goes into
2.6.11.
That's the theory anyway. If it means that it takes a long time to get
This is damned frustrating :( Reality is _far_ divorced from what you
just described.
Major developers such as David and Al don't have trees that see wide
testing, their code only sees wide testing once it hits mainline. See
this message from David,
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-netdev&m=109648930728731&w=2
In particular, I think David's point about -mm being perceived as overly
experimental is fair.
Recent experience seems to directly counter the assertion that only
well-tested code is landing in mainline, and it's not hard to pick
through the -rc changelogs to find non-trivial, non-bugfix modifications
to existing code. My own experience with netdev-2.6 bears this out as
well: I have several personal examples of bugs sitting in netdev (and
thus -mm) for quite a while, only being noticed when the code hits mainline.
Linus's assertion that "calling it -rc means developers should calm
down" (implying we should start concentrating on bug fixing rather than
more-fun stuff) is equally fanciful.
Why is it so hard to say "only bugfixes"?
The _reality_ is that there is _no_ point in time where you and Linus
allow for stabilization of the main tree prior to relesae. The release
criteria has devolved to a point where we call it done when the stack of
pancakes gets too high.
Ground control to Major Tom?
Jeff
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