Re: [Lhms-devel] [PATCH 0/7] Fragmentation Avoidance V19

[Mel Gorman]

On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Nick Piggin wrote:

> Linus Torvalds wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Nick Piggin wrote:
> >
> > > Looks like ppc64 is getting 64K page support, at which point higher
> > > order allocations (eg. for stacks) basically disappear don't they?
> >
> >
> > Yes and no, HOWEVER, nobody sane will ever use 64kB pages on a
> > general-purpose machine.
> >
> > 64kB pages are _only_ usable for databases, nothing else.
> >
> > Why? Do the math. Try to cache the whole kernel source tree in 4kB pages vs
> > 64kB pages. See how the memory usage goes up by a factor of _four_.
> >
>
> Yeah that's true. But Martin's worried about future machines
> with massive memories - so maybe it is safe to assume those will
> be using big pages, I don't know.
>

Todays massive machines are tomorrows desktop. Weak comment, I know, but
it's happened before.

> Maybe the solution is to bloat the kernel sources enough to make
> 64KB pages worthwhile?
>

root@monocle:/boot# ls -l vmlinuz-2.6.14-rc5-mm1-clean
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 1718063 2005-11-01 16:17
vmlinuz-2.6.14-rc5-mm1-clean
root@monocle:/boot# ls -l vmlinuz-2.6.14-rc5-mm1-mbuddy-v19
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 1722102 2005-11-02 14:56
vmlinuz-2.6.14-rc5-mm1-mbuddy-v19
root@monocle:/boot# dc
1722102
1718063
- p
4039

root@monocle:/boot# ls -l vmlinux-2.6.14-rc5-mm1-clean
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 31518866 2005-11-01 16:17
vmlinux-2.6.14-rc5-mm1-clean
root@monocle:/boot# ls -l vmlinux-2.6.14-rc5-mm1-mbuddy-v19
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 31585714 2005-11-02 14:56
vmlinux-2.6.14-rc5-mm1-mbuddy-v19

mel@joshua:/usr/src/patchset-0.5/kernels/linux-2.6.14-rc5-mm1-nooom$ wc -l mm/page_alloc.c
2689 mm/page_alloc.c
mel@joshua:/usr/src/patchset-0.5/kernels/linux-2.6.14-rc5-mm1-mbuddy-v19-withdefrag$  wc -l mm/page_alloc.c
3188 mm/page_alloc.c

0.23% increase in size of bzImage, 0.21% increase in the size of vmlinux
and the major increase in code size is in one file, *one* file, all of
which does it's best to impact the flow of the well-understood code. We're
seeing bigger differences in performance than we are in the size of the
kernel. I'd understand if I was the first person to ever introduce
complexity to the VM.

If the size of the image for really small systems is the issue, what if I
say I'll add in another patch that optionally compiles away as much of
anti-defrag as possible without making the code a mess of #defines .  Are
we still going to hear "no, I don't like looking at this". The current
patch to compile it away deliberately choose the smallest part to take
away to restore the allocator to todays behavior.

-- 
Mel Gorman
Part-time Phd Student                          Java Applications Developer
University of Limerick                         IBM Dublin Software Lab
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