Re: [PATCH 0/11] LTTng-core (basic tracing infrastructure) 0.5.108

[Ingo Molnar]

* Roman Zippel <zippel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> > For example people wanted pluggable (runtime and/or compile time CPU 
> > scheduler in the kernel. This was rejected (IIRC by Linus, Andrew, 
> > Ingo, and myself). No doubt it would have been useful for a small 
> > number of people but it was decided that it would split testing and 
> > development resources. The STREAMS example is another one.
> 
> Comparing it to STREAMS is an insult and Ingo should be aware of this. 
> :-(

so in your opinion Nick's mentioning of STREAMS is an insult too? I 
certainly do not understand Nick's example as an insult. Is STREAMS now 
a dirty word to you that no-one is allowed to use as an example in 
kernel maintanance discussions?

Let me recap how I mentioned STREAMS for the first time: it was simply 
the best example i could think of when you asked the following question:

> > Why don't you leave the choice to the users? Why do you constantly 
> > make it an exclusive choice? [...]
>
> [...]
>
> the user of course does not care about kernel internal design and 
> maintainance issues. Think about the many reasons why STREAMS was 
> rejected - users wanted that too. And note that users dont want 
> "static tracers" or any design detail of LTT in particular: what they 
> want is the _functionality_ of LTT.

(see <20060915231419.GA24731@xxxxxxx> for the full context. Tellingly, 
that point of mine you have left unreplied too.)

btw., you still have not retracted or corrected your false suggestion 
that "concessions" or a "compromise" were possible and you did not 
retract or correct your false accusation that i "dont want to make 
them":

> It's impossible to discuss this with you, because you're absolutely 
> unwilling to make any concessions. What am I supposed to do than it's 
> very clear to me, that you don't want to make any compromise anyway?

while, as i explained it before, such a concession simply does not exist 
- so i am not in the position to "make such a concession". There are 
only two choices in essence: either we accept a generic static tracer, 
or we reject it.

(see <Pine.LNX.4.64.0609171744570.6761@xxxxxxxxxx>)

	Ingo
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