Re: [GIT PULL] AlacrityVM guest drivers for 2.6.33

[Avi Kivity]

On 12/24/2009 11:31 AM, Gregory Haskins wrote:
> On 12/23/09 3:36 PM, Avi Kivity wrote:
>    
> > On 12/23/2009 06:44 PM, Gregory Haskins wrote:
> >      
> > >        
> > > >    - Are a pure software concept
> > > >
> > > >          
> > > By design.  In fact, I would describe it as "software to software
> > > optimized" as opposed to trying to shoehorn into something that was
> > > designed as a software-to-hardware interface (and therefore has
> > > assumptions about the constraints in that environment that are not
> > > applicable in software-only).
> > >
> > >
> > >        
> > And that's the biggest mistake you can make.
> >      
> Sorry, that is just wrong or you wouldn't have virtio either.
>    

Things are not black and white.  I prefer not to have paravirtualization 
at all.  When there is no alternative, I prefer to limit it to the 
device level and keep it off the bus level.

> >   Look at Xen, for
> > instance.  The paravirtualized the fork out of everything that moved in
> > order to get x86 virt going.  And where are they now? x86_64 syscalls
> > are slow since they have to trap to the hypervisor and (partially) flush
> > the tlb.  With npt or ept capable hosts performance is better for many
> > workloads on fullvirt.  And paravirt doesn't support Windows.  Their
> > unsung hero Jeremy is still trying to upstream dom0 Xen support.  And
> > they get to support it forever.
> >      
> We are only talking about PV-IO here, so not apples to apples to what
> Xen is going through.
>    

The same principles apply.

> > VMware stuck with the hardware defined interfaces.  Sure they had to
> > implement binary translation to get there, but as a result, they only
> > have to support one interface, all guests support it, and they can drop
> > it on newer hosts where it doesn't give them anything.
> >      
> Again, you are confusing PV-IO.  Not relevant here.   Afaict, vmware,
> kvm, xen, etc, all still do PV-IO and likely will for the foreseeable
> future.
>    

They're all doing it very differently:

- pure emulation (qemu e1000, etc.)
- pci device (vmware, virtio/pci)
- paravirt bus bridged through a pci device (Xen hvm, Hyper-V (I think), 
venet/vbus)
- paravirt bus (Xen pv, early vbus, virtio/lguest, virtio/s390)

The higher you are up this scale the easier things are, so once you get 
reasonable performance there is no need to descend further.

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