Re: [git pull] drm request 3

From: Robert Hancock
Date: Thu Mar 04 2010 - 20:54:07 EST

On 03/04/2010 01:32 PM, Jeff Garzik wrote:
On 03/04/2010 02:04 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
"Please note that these drivers are under heavy development, may or may
not work, and may contain userspace interfaces that most likely will be
changed in the near future."

Shipping it as the default Fedora driver for NVIDIA hardware makes that
text largely irrelevant.

Indeed, that text isn't really reconcilable with the fact that the driver is being used by default in a stable distro release. (Why do people keep forgetting the whole "upstream development" thing?)

Jesse said
Dave and the nouveau guys include the driver in Fedora to get
much needed test coverage, and make sure the latest bits in rawhide
work together.

but when it is the default driver, it is the default _production_ driver
for Fedora users, in an official, stable Fedora release.

And the alternative? You said
F-12 continues to ship the -nv driver, which will work fine with any
kernel version as long as nouveau is disabled.

FAIL. I actually tried that. Have you? Do you think it is remotely easy
for a technically component, non-Xorg-hacker type to accomplish?

I attempted to use the non-default 'nv' driver just before nouveau was
merged into upstream/staging, because I wanted a development kernel that
actually worked on my Fedora-based devel boxes. It was a complete
exercise in frustration, requiring at least one bugzilla bug report, and
ultimately resulted in failure.

Advising people to use nv is pretty much a joke IMHO, it's barely above VESA in some ways. People would be more likely to use the nvidia binary driver than that contraption..

Aside from the fact that running nouveau on this machine would drive me crazy (there's no fan speed control implemented so the GPU fan screams away at maximum speed), the other big reason I can't use it is that at least until quite recently it couldn't work with upstream kernels. Unfortunately, changes like this will being that problem back..

So at this point the nvidia binary driver is the most practical solution that actually meets my needs, sadly enough..

I gave up and waiting for Linus to merge nouveau, which instantly made
my life a lot easier :)

Kernel hacking on Fedora, my own dogfood, has become increasingly
cumbersome because of all these graphics issues. Sometimes it's just
easier to test a modern kernel on an ancient distro, sadly.


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