Re: Formal Reiser4 inclusion and todo list?

From: Christian Stroetmann
Date: Mon Aug 02 2010 - 13:33:46 EST

Hello Ralph;
On the 02.08.2010 16:30, you wrote:
Christian Stroetmann 2010-08-01 15:43:
I haven't looked at the code since several years. But as far as I
have followed the development, all of the patch sets since then
(April 2009) were only of cosmetical nature, or said with other
words, to keep it coping with changes at different positions, like
eg. VFS. And in a handful of blogs I got no additional/other
informations, despite that the maintainer is working at a company in
the field of another file system since the end of last year, so that
We always had the impression that he, like a handful
of other persons, was only here at reiserfs to mess up the R4
development, to work and make politics against this project, and to
disturb the developers and their businesses.
I would like to thank E. Shishkin for his efforts to keep Reiser4
breathing. I never had the impression someone wants to disturb

That is a problematic part of IT-business, and insights, feelings and experiences for and in such situations can be best developed, if someone is directly involved.

, and also that the opinions are that the project is dead.
I see an amount of features went into btrfs. And the skills of former
Reiser4 developers also. Also Shishkin did his expertise on btrfs.


never was discussed during efforts to get Reiser4 into mainline kernel

The potentials of a never coming Reiser5 regarding semantics.

Sorry Ralph, but: No, that's not right.
What we did is exactly what you have mentioned: We gave it ontologics, which includes semantics and ontology based semantics. Or let say it with other words: Our [....]FS is based on R4 and could be described very rough as H. Reisers vision of the further development of R4 in a Semantic[/Ontologic] Web style, which could be seen as the R5 you mentioned, but has now another name that fits better with semantics and ontologics.
And we have explained such a semantic feature in a discussion on this mailing list. But just right from the start we got the advice by the actual maintainer:
"Go away!"
Later, we were also heavily attacked by other members of this mailing list with statements like "stealing", "that's rude" and so on.
Since then we are not allowed to talk about our R4 based fork.

Please read also this whole thread again, especially the messages of the days 19.04.2009 and 20.04.2009.

- As one can see at Christian Stroetmanns sites he has done some
thinking that direction.

We hade started around the 1995s while no one was really interesting in these kind of semantic, ontologic and ontology based technologies.
And we have not done some thinking, it was in fact much more.

- As one can see watching the Nepomuk development, semantic development
is hard, unprecedented and therefore has a very slowly ongoing.

Sorry again, but: No, that's not right. The EU-funded research project Nepomuk is largely based on stolen technologies from my company (eg. ontology for file system). After the presentation of our Linux based distribution with an R4 forked file system, that we are not allowed to mention here, and the ending of the monetary support of the related research project with tax money we gave only in small steps new informations about our technology so that it couldn't be stolen further by that project, members of the project, a newer project, a company, or others. That's the real reason and has nothing to do with the technology itself, but in fact more with international governmental and industrial issues. Or said with oher words: We have the thumb on it.
Please, understand all that this kind of technologies, including R4, are no kindergarden games.

Development of an all purpose filesystem mixed with an all purpose
semantic feature seems to be too big of a challange yet.

We have to say sorry once again, but: No, that's wrong. Our R4 based file system is not only conceptually ready since 2006.

Me, non developer, would faczinate a revived Reiser4 as a fuse-
filesystem for experimental storage ideas! Some sort of database? A
Nepomuk storage backend? I wonder if some NoSql projects out there have
reimplemented Reiser4 techniques?

Sorry, but: Our R4 and NoSql based file system is not only conceptually ready since 2006. Also, we had developed it, because several FUSE based approaches exist for these kinds of applications, but are to slow or not consistent from the point of view of their architectures. R4 has several features that fit exactly and a FUSE based R4 makes really no sense, because it is already a file system. Believe us, we were already there more than 8 years ago.

If the explanations were to harsh, then we beg for apologize.

With all the best and Yeah
Christian *<:o) O>-< -(D)>-<
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