Re: [QUERY] lguest64

From: H. Peter Anvin
Date: Wed Jul 31 2013 - 08:18:17 EST

On 07/31/2013 02:39 AM, Mike Rapoport wrote:
> The use case I had in mind is to use lguest as a nested hypervisor in
> public clouds. As of today, major public clouds do not support nested
> virtualization and it's not clear at all if they will expose this
> ability in their deployments. Addition of 64-bit support for lguest
> won't require changes to pvops and, as far as I can tell, won't change
> the number of pvops users...

"We can add a pvops user and that won't change the number of pvops
users" What?!

>> Yes, the subset of x86-64 machines for which there isn't hardware
>> virtualization support is pretty uninteresting.
> There are plenty virtual machines in EC2, Rackspace, HP and other
> clouds that do not have hardware virtualization. I believe that
> running a hypervisor on them may be pretty interesting.

The big problem with pvops is that they are a permanent tax on future
development -- a classic case of "the hooks problem." As such it is
important that there be a real, significant, use case with enough users
to make the pain worthwhile. With Xen looking at sunsetting PV support
with a long horizon, it might currently be possible to remove pvops some
time in the early 2020s or so timeframe. Introducing and promoting a
new user now would definitely make that impossible.

So it matters that the use case be real.


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