RE: [PATCH v2 00/13] mpt3sas driver NVMe support:
From: Kashyap Desai
Date: Mon Aug 07 2017 - 10:32:03 EST
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> From: James Bottomley [mailto:James.Bottomley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2017 7:48 PM
> To: Kashyap Desai; Christoph Hellwig; Hannes Reinecke
> Cc: Suganath Prabu Subramani; martin.petersen@xxxxxxxxxx; linux-
> scsi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Sathya Prakash Veerichetty; linux-
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> Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/13] mpt3sas driver NVMe support:
> On Mon, 2017-08-07 at 19:26 +0530, Kashyap Desai wrote:
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: James Bottomley [mailto:James.Bottomley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > ]
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2017 8:12 PM
> > > To: Christoph Hellwig; Hannes Reinecke
> > > Cc: Suganath Prabu S; martin.petersen@xxxxxxxxxx; linux-
> > > scsi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Sathya.Prakash@xxxxxxxxxxxx;
> > > kashyap.desai@xxxxxxxxxxxx; linux-kernel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> > > chaitra.basappa@xxxxxxxxxxxx; sreekanth.reddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx; linux-
> > > nvme@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/13] mpt3sas driver NVMe support:
> > >
> > > On Sat, 2017-08-05 at 06:53 -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Aug 02, 2017 at 10:14:40AM +0200, Hannes Reinecke wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not happy with this approach.
> > > > > NVMe devices should _not_ appear as SCSI devices; this will just
> > > > > confuse matters _and_ will be incompatible with 'normal' NVMe
> > > > > devices.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rather I would like to see the driver to hook into the existing
> > > > > NVMe framework (which essentially means to treat the mpt3sas as
> > > > > a weird NVMe-over-Fabrics HBA), and expose the NVMe devices like
> > > > > any other NVMe HBA.
> > > >
> > > > That doesn't make any sense. The devices behind the mpt adapter
> > > > don't look like NVMe devices at all for the hosts - there are no
> > > > NVMe commands or queues involved at all, they hide behind the same
> > > > somewhat leaky scsi abstraction as other devices behind the mpt
> > > > controller.
> > >
> > > You might think about what we did for SAS: split the generic handler
> > > into two pieces, libsas for driving the devices, which mpt didn't
> > > need because of the fat firmware and the SAS transport class so mpt
> > > could at least show the same sysfs files as everything else for SAS
> > > devices.
> > Ventura generation of controllers are adding connectivity of NVME
> > drives seamlessly and protocol handling is in Firmware.
> > Same as SCSI to ATA translation done in firmware, Ventura controller
> > is doing SCSI to NVME translation and for end user protocol handling
> > is abstracted.
> > This product handles new Transport protocol (NVME) same as ATA and
> > transport is abstracted for end user.
> > NVME pass-through related driver code, it is just a big tunnel for
> > user space application. It is just a basic framework like SATA PASS-
> > Through in existing mpt3sas driver.
> I know how it works ... and I'm on record as not liking your SATL approach
> because we keep tripping across bugs in the SATL that we have to fix in
We discussed about NVME device support behind <mpt3sas> to Hannes and
he suggested to describe to product behavior to wider audience to be aware.
Just wanted to share the notes.
> However, at least for bot SAS and SATA they appear to the system as SCSI
> devices regardless of HBA, so we've largely smoothed over any problems if
> transfer from mp3sas to another SAS/SATA controller.
> I believe your current proposal is to have NVMe devices appear as SCSI,
> isn't how the native NVMe driver handles them at all. This is going to
> have to
> be special cased in any tool designed to handle nvme devices and it's
> going to
> cause big problems if someone changes controller (or moves the
> device). What's the proposal for making this as painless as possible?
We have to attempt this use case and see how it behaves. I have not tried
this, so not sure if things are really bad or just some tuning may be
helpful. I will revert back to you on this.
I understood request as - We need some udev rules to be working well for
*same* NVME drives if it is behind <mpt3sas> or native <nvme>.
Example - If user has OS installed on NVME drive which is behind <mpt3sas>
driver as SCSI disk should be able to boot if he/she hooked same NVME drive
which is detected by native <nvme> driver (and vice versa.)