Re: [PATCH 06/18] x86, barrier: stop speculation for failed access_ok

[Josh Poimboeuf]

On Fri, Jan 05, 2018 at 06:52:07PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > From: Andi Kleen <ak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> > When access_ok fails we should always stop speculating.
> > Add the required barriers to the x86 access_ok macro.
> 
> Honestly, this seems completely bogus.
> 
> The description is pure garbage afaik.
> 
> The fact is, we have to stop speculating when access_ok() does *not*
> fail - because that's when we'll actually do the access. And it's that
> access that needs to be non-speculative.
> 
> That actually seems to be what the code does (it stops speculation
> when __range_not_ok() returns false, but access_ok() is
> !__range_not_ok()). But the explanation is crap, and dangerous.

The description also seems to be missing the "why", as it's not
self-evident (to me, at least).

Isn't this (access_ok/uaccess_begin/ASM_STAC) too early for the lfence?

i.e., wouldn't the pattern be:

	get_user(uval, uptr);
	if (uval < array_size) {
		lfence();
		foo = a2[a1[uval] * 256];
	}

Shouldn't the lfence come much later, *after* reading the variable and
comparing it and branching accordingly?

-- 
Josh