Re: [RFC PATCH v2 1/2] printk-rb: add a new printk ringbuffer implementation
From: John Ogness
Date: Wed Jun 26 2019 - 17:44:18 EST
On 2019-06-26, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Here are the writer-relevant memory barriers and their associated
>> MB1: data_list.oldest
>> MB2: data_list.newest
>> MB3: data_block.id
>> MB4: descr.data_next
>> MB5: descr_list.newest
>> MB6: descr.next
> I think this is the fundamental divergence in parlance.
> You seem to associate a barrier with a (single) variable, where
> normally a barrier is between two (or more) variables.
The litmus tests I posted to answer your previous questions should
(hopefully) show that I already understand this. The above list shows
the _key_ loads/stores that are used to guarantee ordering (for these
and other memory operations). And yes, I now understand that my comments
need to list all the operations that are being ordered based on these
> As you wrote in that other email (I'm stlil going through all that);
> your MB5 isn't desc_list.newest, but rather between desc_list.newest
> and descr.next.
Here is where I have massive problems communicating. I don't understand
why you say the barrier is _between_ newest and next. I would say the
barrier is _on_ newest to _synchronize_ with next (or something). I am
struggling with terminology. (To be honest, I'd much rather just post
For example, if we have:
local_d = smp_load_acquire(&d);
local_a = READ_ONCE(&a);
local_b = READ_ONCE(&b);
local_c = READ_ONCE(&c);
How do you describe that? Do you say the memory barrier is between a and
d? Or between a, b, c, d? (a, b, c aren't ordered, but they are one-way
synchronized with d).
I would say there is a barrier on d to synchronize a, b, c.