Re: [PATCH 29/29] arm64: dts: qcom: Harmonize DWC USB3 DT nodes name
From: John Stultz
Date: Wed Jul 21 2021 - 14:08:29 EST
On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 4:25 AM Serge Semin <fancer.lancer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 01:10:19PM +0200, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
> > It's not good example. The configfs entries (file names) are
> > user-visible however the USB gadget exposes specific value for specific
> > one device. It encodes device specific DT node name and HW address and
> > gives it to user-space. It is valid only on this one HW, all other
> > devices will have different values.
> > User-space has hard-coded this value (DT node name and hardware
> > address). This value was never part of configfs ABI, maybe except of its
> > format "[a-z]+\.[0-9a-f]+". Format is not broken. Just the value changes
> > for a specific device/hardware.
> > It's like you depend that lsusb will always report:
> > Bus 003 Device 008: ID 046d:c52b Logitech, Inc. Unifying Receiver
> > and then probing order changed and this Logitech ends as Device 009.
> > Then AOSP guys come, wait, we hard-coded that Logitech on our device
> > will be always Device 008, not 009. Please revert it, we depend on
> > specific value of Device number. It must be always 009...
> > For the record - the change discussed here it's nothing like USB VID/PID. :)
> Right I was wrong referring to the configfs names in this context.
> That must have mislead Greg.
> Getting back to the topic AFAICS from what John said in here
> AOSP developers somehow hardcoded a USB-controller UDC name in the
> internal property called "sys.usb.controller" with a value
> "ff100000.dwc3". That value is generated by the kernel based on the
> corresponding DT-node name. The property is then used to
> pre-initialize the system like it's done here:
> Since we changed the DT-node name in the recent kernel, we thus changed the
> UDC controller name so AOSP init procedure now fails to bring up the Linux
> USB-gadget using on the older UDC name. UDC is supposed to be ff100000.usb now
> (after this patch has been merged in).
> What problems I see here:
> 1) the AOSP developers shouldn't have hard-coded the value but read
> from the /sys/class/udc/* directory and then decided which controller
> to use. As it's described for instance here:
The problem with this is there may be multiple USB controllers on a
system (not all exposed outside the case - and also the dummy
controller is often present). How can we configure the system to know
which controller is which?
The only name we have for distinguishing the controllers is the DTS
node. So it seems inherent that changes to that name will break the
That said, this issue reminded me of the /dev/hda -> /dev/sda device
name or the eth0 -> enp3s0 switch which both also had the potential to
break configurations or scripts. I get that having a standard naming
scheme is important (I'm very sympathetic to this point)! I can
imagine UI trying to show possible controllers for a user to select
needs a simple way to determine if a device is a usb controller - but
again this just shows that the node names are an ABI.
So I'm not the one to judge if this change is useful enough to push
through the pain, but it did seem to be done a bit casually.
> 2) even if they hard-coded the value, then they should have used an
> older dts file for their platform, since DTS is more
> platform-specific, but not the kernel one. Even if a dts-file is
> supplied in the kernel it isn't supposed to have the node names
> unchanged from release to release.
DTS changes are a constant source of regressions in my experience. We
mostly just have to roll with it, but it feels never ending. :) I'd
personally rather folks in general be more thoughtful about what DTS
changes they make and accept, understanding that they do have impact
on userland. And I'd imagine If updates to linux-firmware broke the
most recent LTS kernel, that would be seen as a regression too, and
folks wouldn't be told to just keep the old firmware. But all the
same, I'd also be happy for suggestions to remove any such
dependencies userland has on specific dts naming, where possible, to
make the constant pain go away. :)