Re: GGI Project Unhappy On Linux -- A Response to Mr. Linus Torvalds (no reply needed, this isn't a

Trever Adams (arabian@onramp.net)
Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:19:03 -0600


> I won't answer to any of the individual postings, but I _can_ try to
> explain my own personal standpoint, and at least let people know _why_
> I
> think as I do.

This is probably good. For the same reason it is my message is probably
bad, but one must speak whatone thinks.

> The world would not be a better place if Linux were to be the only
> operating system out there, and we should play along with
> established
> standards if we can and when that makes sense

This I agree to. My point, if that is what spawned this, about not
wanting to boot Windows for games or other graphic intensive tasks
(modeling and simulation) was only because I hate to reboot and I hate
locking an entire system on a poorly coded game.

> - Finally: I'm flexible. I can be convinced. But I am almost
> _never_
> convinced by rhetoric: I'm completely unmoved by people arguing
> about
> things on a theoretical level or using pretty words and examples to
> get their point across. I'm _only_ convinced by real code, and by
> people actually _doing_ rather than talking.
>
This is very good. My point in email (again I expect no response except
on bug reports) was to ask you(Linus and the other main maintainers) to
keep an open mind. The other half of my response was to the
GGI people asking them to provide the patches up to date against recent
development kernels so that
those who have spare, though possibly old, machines could help test and
add ideas. Even the finest gold must be refined in the fire and the
finished product sometimes has been remolded several times.

I do not think GGI should be the do all end all, especially the KGI
module. Just enough should be in the
kernel to provide access to the accerlation and graphic features. The
rest in well written, tight, small,
generalized libraries. These should probably include the bare minimum
calls for blasting screens or parts
of screens at high speed to the screen and for supporting accelerated X
and MESA (OpenGL work
alike).

For those who kindly wrote me to explain that GGI is really three
projects: KGI, Libggi, and EvStack -- thank you. I understand this. My
point was merely a simple program can always become bloat.X is a bit
slow for 3D and some graphic intensive tasks. Then again I am sure my
Trio 64 isn't the best card for it. Just have other things that require
the money first. Anyway, I am not advocating immediate GGI (any part)
inclusion in Linux. I just ask for an open mind from Linus and gang and
for the GGI development team to be open to comment/criticism
(positive/constructive) and to provide the patches against recent
kernels (devel tree 2.1.8x on up).

For those of you who view my "rantings" as a waste of bandwidth I
apologize. I have seen people here be mediators before, though they
have contributed code while I haven't. I am just giving it a shot
myself as I really wish to add something back. Linux is an open
standard... fear and infighting should cause that standard to fail.

Trever
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Trever Adams
arabian@onramp.net
http://rampages.onramp.net/~arabian/silent.htm
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"No man knows how bad he is till he has tried very hard to be good."
~C.S. Lewis

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