Re: Suggested dual human/binary interface for proc/devfs

From: Alexander Viro (viro@math.psu.edu)
Date: Thu Apr 06 2000 - 05:40:58 EST


On Thu, 6 Apr 2000, Richard Gooch wrote:

> Alexander Viro writes:
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 6 Apr 2000, Richard Gooch wrote:
> >
> > > Alexander Viro writes:
> > > > "ASCII is tough" -- Programmer Barbie
> > >
> > > Al, this is simply rude. You are deinigrating people who disagree with
> > > you. If you don't agree with someone: fine. Feel free to argue the
> > > technical issues.
> >
> > Richard, I'm bloody sick and tired of the ugliness that went into
> > UNIX from each and every Missed'em'V in existance. Of unneeded
> > interfaces. Of unneeded namespaces (e.g. the whole SysV IPC - _why_
> > not a filesystem?) Of crap like AIX with its love to binary config
> > files. Of braindead syscalls (sysfs(2) - look and enjoy) that are
> > there because it's easier to add a syscall than to talk a dozen of
> > primadonnas into <gasp> reading from unformatted text file. It's
> > time to stop this idiocy. Please, before we continue that into a
> > flamewar, search on DN for "UNIX philosophy", OK?
>
> Al, you seem to be ignorant of a fundamental point. Even if you are
> technically correct on some issue (a point I'm neither conceding nor
> denying here), you shouldn't be rude. It's a sign of immaturity.
> I watched you for years on linux-kernel, ranting and raving, cursing
> and cussing, flaming and insulting. Most aggressive young males go
> through a phase like this, but they eventually get over it, and learn
> to behave like adults. You've had your fun, now be polite.

Richard, I hate to break it on you, but I'm not, erm, young. Wish I would ;-/
I am what I am. Take hippy, drive through some serious shit and in ten
years or so you'll get a bastard. Which I am. And I see no reasons to
apologize for that.

> There never is, and never will be, any justification for being rude
> and/or insulting.

It's you belief and I can respect it. Respect != agree.

> All it can ever do is reduce your credibility. You
> can shout all you like about how right you are about some technical
> detail, but it doesn't change a thing. Bear in mind also that if you
> behave like this in person, you're likely to get a punch in the nose.

Oh. My. God. Richard, sorry, but you really have no fscking idea of what
I... bear in mind.

As for credibility... You know, I doubt that you can show a case when my
reaction on code depended on my opinion about author. Moreover, if you can
show technically bogus claims I've made and kept insisting on when they
were shown to be bogus - go ahead and do it. And that's all credibility I
claim.

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