There is nothing saying the Linux kernel is not going to support intl.
Spam and kernel are two different ball fields. Please don't get into
left field.
The current issue as several have presented, is the ratio of .jp emails
which are benign v.s. spam is rather onerous. I don't care what company
or country spam comes from, I'd like to present it with the smoking end
of a bazooka. Don't go off in left field with this one either about
indiscriminate blasting. I aim to be very surgical with my
retaliation. There's no racism implied or stated. It's the same old
story as aol email or hotmail or ..etc. Take your pick. Apparently
there just happens to be a very large number of open relays or spam
origination points in .jp. I got no less than 65 of these particular
spams all to different addresses and from about 9 different relay sites
in .jp.
If 99% of the email I get from .jp or multibyte emails is spam, then by
golly heck yes I'm going to dev/null it. Grokking my mailbox for the
last two months yields about half a dozen multibyte or .jp emails which
are legitimate and 83 spams in the last 10 days. I only keep spam
around for a few days so the measurement is a bit off.
If a very common element in spam is a multibyte email, people are very
likely to use that to combat spam. It doesn't matter who or where the
email is coming from. If you're in the middle of it, I'm sorry. The
predominant thinking used to be surgical cuts. Now those cuts are
getting more and more broad because spamming is increasing. We try hard
not to.
I imagine in a few years, many people will require a form of certificate
or authority approval before they will accept your email. I've already
started planning how I'm going to do it
Yes, there is a Hell, and the gates are opening. It's called spamming
and commercialization. They get in your face more and more, closer and
closer until you think very bloody unkind thoughts about them.
-d
Andrew van der Stock wrote:
>
>
> If you canâ??ï½? read the following, your mailer (MUA) is broken.
> End of story.
>
> ãf¯ã,¿ã,·ãf¯Andrewãf?ã,¹ã?,
>
> With the original poster effectively saying that Linux (and I mean the
> kernel, not just a distro) will not be internationalized due to one or
> two spammers is wrong. International helpers (and generally they are
> volunteers) have posted here before, and we should never cut ourselves
> off from 70% of the world who do not speak English.
>
> ASCII's time is coming to a close, and confusing two issues (spam vs
> ignoring all .jp/double byte mails) is simply wrong (and skirting damn
> close to racism). I'm not going into which MUA is best as I've decided
> what works for me and you'll be a partisan of another choice, and
> there should always be that choice. The real issue is that many MUA's
> are simply and unspeakably difficult wrt HTML (which is how double
> byte people must communicate with any chance of it being read
> somewhere else) and how they handle languages in general. Spam is a
> different issue, and one that must be addressed but separately to
> languages. This is an English language forum, and substationally that
> should not change, but cutting off particular language speakers just
> to avoid spam or faulty or substandard mailers smacks of avoiding the
> real issue.What happens if a Hebrew, Hindi or Russian language spammer
> (or more likely, the English-language spammers that I've nearly
> universally had in the 11 years I've had e-mail) mails here on a
> regular basis? The problem of spam is separate to I18N, and should
> always be considered so. Otherwise, lkml will alienate international
> developers. As Linus speaks Finnish as his first language (which
> requires different characters than ASCII* supports in any case) I
> shouldn't think this being controversial. Hopefully, the
> mono-linguists amongst us will pipe down and let Linux be truly
> universal.Hyvæ¤æ¤ pæ¤ivæ¤æ¤,
>
> Andrew van der Stock, ajv@greebo.net http://www.greebo.net
> SAGE-AU President http://www.sage-au.org.au
>
> * ps remember that ASCII is 7 bits (remember VMS?). Characters above
> 129 are defined by whoever defines the platform. Try getting a Mac and
> a PC to agree where æ« or æ¶ appear in this space without
> specifying a particular NLS or using Unicode.
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