RE: SCO: "thread creation is about a thousand times faster than o n

From: Marty Fouts (marty@dotcast.com)
Date: Mon Aug 28 2000 - 22:34:41 EST


For PDP-11 trivia, see

http://www.telnet.hu/hamster/pdp-11/1120.html

where the question of MMU is answered thusly:

Interesting options: MX11 - Memory Extension Option: this enabled the usage
of 128 KW memory (18-bit addressing range); KS11: this option provided
hardware memory protection, which the plain /20 lacked. Both options were
developed by the Digital CSS (Computer Special Systems).

-----Original Message-----
From: yodaiken@fsmlabs.com [mailto:yodaiken@fsmlabs.com]
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 4:14 PM
To: Alexander Viro
Cc: yodaiken@fsmlabs.com; Albert D. Cahalan;
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: SCO: "thread creation is about a thousand times faster than
on

On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 07:16:34PM -0400, Alexander Viro wrote:
> > > Funny. I didn't know that -11/20 had memory protection...
> >
> > PDP-11 had good memory protection. I think PDP 8 may even have had it.
> > None of this newfangled paging b.s. though.
>
> I think you are mixing -11/20 with -11/45... (-8 is completely irrelevant
> and I don't know whether there was any memory protection on -{7,9}, but I
> really doubt it).

I think the 11/20 had an optional MMU, but I'm not sure. I have a vague
memory that the 8 had a map register, but that may be totally wrong.

UNIX as a useful OS begins with V6 which ran on the 11/40 and
up and these, for sure, had segments. Even V5 needed an 11/40.
See sheets 16 & 17 in the Lions book.

But I'd love to see a reasonable argument as to why fork/exec would be
useful
on an mmu-less processor in the current state of the field.
90% of the semantics disappear.

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