On Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 09:17:12PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> On Mon, 2002-08-05 at 19:49, Jakob Oestergaard wrote:
> > *) Either the disk writes backwards (no I don't believe that)
> > *) Or the kernel is writing 256 B blocks (AFAIK it can't)
> > *) The disk has some internal magic that cause a power-loss during
> > a full block write to leave the first half of the block intact with
> > old data, and update the second half of a block correctly with new
> > data. (And I don't believe that either).
>
> You forgot to add
>
> *) or the disk internal logic bears no resemblance to the antiquated API
> it fakes for the convenience of interface hardware and software
Fair enough - that seems like a reasonable explanation.
On a side note - what guarantees does one have ? Any pointers to papers
or other material about this ?
For example, when updating a 3 to a 4 on the disk, could I end up with a
7 ? (having 00000011 on platter, starting write of 00000100, but
after having written the one high power fails and I now have 00000111).
The above example is simple - I doubt that it would happen - but how
much can and cannot happen ? I bet the Phase Tree (Tux2) people must
have thought about this at some point... I haven't had much luck with
Google on this one...
>
> Linux also won't neccessarily do write outs in order.
But in this case, I wonder why ?
It's one huge sequential write, from the beginning of a device and 50 MB
onwards. The write is submitted in one single write() every single
time. Why start going semi-backwards and chopping things up ?
I'm *very* certain that Linux does this non-sequentially, because the
disk might be causing the half-block oddity which really surprised me,
but the disk is not caching 20 MB of data internally, for sure.
Is this an elevator deficiency in 2.4.18, or am I just moaning for no
reason at all ? ;)
Thanks for the quick reply !
Cheers,
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