Re: Linux 2.4 future
From: John Jasen
Date: Fri Dec 05 2003 - 10:34:51 EST
On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Jan Rychter wrote:
> >>>>> "Marcelo" == Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo.tosatti@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> Marcelo> The intention of this email is to clarify my position on 2.4.x
> Marcelo> future.
> Marcelo> 2.6 is becoming more stable each day, and we will hopefully
> Marcelo> see a 2.6.0 release during this month or January.
I would argue that 2.2 wasn't really usable until somewhere around 2.2.12.
I would also claim that 2.4 wasn't useful until 2.4.10.
If we continue to improve along these lines, can I expect 2.6 to be
generally usable somewhere around 2.6.8? :)
> On my notebook, I have spent the last two years going through regular
> painful kernel patching and upgrades.
His experiences pretty much mirror my own -- ACPI has been an adventure,
cpufreq occasionally didn't work, full USB doesn't work without ACPI, I
need alsa drivers and ACPI in order to have acceptable sound, and I need
to use GATOS drivers for my display, else 3d just blows chunks.
For the longest time on this beast, kernel upgrades were a day long
First, to push in acpi, cpufreq, and freeswan. (Oh, look, 2.4.foo is
out ... but the latest ACPI patch was 2.4.foo-prebar and CPUfreq is
2.4.foo-pre(bar-2)-3weeks-earlier ... time to patch and resolve
Then it was off to put in alsa, radoen, freeswan, linux-wlan-ng and so
Some things should be migrated in and updated. drm modules, for example. I
would also vote for alsa being merged. ACPI was brought up to date in
2.4.22, I believe, but I haven't checked since then. It should also be
relativelt current, IMHO.
> 1) Please don't stop working (and that does include pulling in new
> stuff) on 2.4, as many people still have to use it.
> 2) Please don't start developing 2.7 too soon. Go for at least 6
> months of bug-fixing. During that time, patches with new features
> will accumulate anyway, so it isn't lost time. But it will at least
> prevent people from saying "well, I use 2.7.45 and it works for
I have to agree with both of these points. 2.6.0 will probably have
problems that will take a while to sort out. Putting it on systems to test
is one thing, putting it into production as its the only blessed solution
is another ...
-- John E. Jasen (jjasen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
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