Re: [PATCH] API for true Random Number Generators to add entropy(2.6.11)

[Jeff Garzik]

David McCullough wrote:
> Jivin Jeff Garzik lays it down ...
>
> > David McCullough wrote:
> >
> > > Jivin Jeff Garzik lays it down ...
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Thu, Mar 24, 2005 at 02:27:08PM +1000, David McCullough wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is a small patch for 2.6.11 that adds a routine:
> > > > >
> > > > > 	add_true_randomness(__u32 *buf, int nwords);
> > > > >
> > > > > so that true random number generator device drivers can add a entropy
> > > > > to the system.  Drivers that use this can be found in the latest release
> > > > > of ocf-linux,  an asynchronous crypto implementation for linux based on
> > > > > the *BSD Cryptographic Framework.
> > > > >
> > > > > 	http://ocf-linux.sourceforge.net/
> > > > >
> > > > > Adding this can dramatically improve the performance of /dev/random on
> > > > > small embedded systems which do not generate much entropy.
> > > >
> > > > We've already had hardware RNG support for a while now.
> > > >
> > > > No kernel patching needed.
> > >
> > >
> > > Are you talking about /dev/hw_random ?  If not then sorry I didn't see it 
> > > :-(
> > >
> > > On a lot of the small systems I work on,  /dev/random is completely
> > > unresponsive,  and all the apps use /dev/random,  not /dev/hw_random.
> > >
> > > Would you suggest making /dev/random point to /dev/hw_random then ?
> >
> > All the apps are supposed to use /dev/random, so that's correct.
>
>
> Ok
>
>
> > For Hardware RNGs, userspace rngd daemon obtains entropy, checks it 
> > (mainly checking for hardware failures), and then stuffs entropy into 
> > the kernel random device.   http://sf.net/projects/gkernel/
> >
> > On the "to do" list is making rngd directly generate entropy use 
> > 'xstore' on VIA CPUs, rather than going kernel -> userland -> kernel.
> >
> > Also, there are other entropy daemons floating about.  I think there is 
> > one that obtains noise from an audio device.
>
>
> I had looked at hw_random,  but it seemed a little platform specific (x86),
> and it doesn't currently have a way for RNG providers to register themselves.
> Admittedly I did not know how it's output was being used in practice.
>
> The drivers I am working with do crypto/public key and RNG.  Not all of
> them can easily have the RNG support taken from the driver and plugged
> into hw_random.c,  since it is (in most cases) a single PCI chip with
> it's own  registers, initialisation and configuration,  that,  IMO
> belongs in the driver for the particular chip.

Agreed.


> Not that it isn't possible,  but hw_random would start supporting a
> much larger number of HW variants and I think it would get ugly.

Agreed.


> It would be possible to add a "register" interface to hw_random so that
> you can register other RNG's easily.  This would seem reasonable.

Agreed.


> I work on fairly resource constrained embedded devices a lot of the
> time, so when I can avoid adding applications and reduce kernel size,
> I do.  Thus my motivation to add a simple API for adding entropy to
> /dev/random.

We already have the facilities to add entropy, as current use of 
hw_random+rngd shows.

	Jeff


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