Re: recommended mail clients [was] [PATCH] ati-agp suspend/resumesupport (try 2)

[Peter Williams]

Michael Clark wrote:
> Lee Revell wrote:
>
>
> > On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 20:03 +0000, Alistair John Strachan wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Monday 26 December 2005 17:54, Lee Revell wrote:
> > >   
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 15:35 +0000, Alistair John Strachan wrote:
> > > >     
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Monday 26 December 2005 14:38, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> > > > >       
> > >
> > > [snip]
> > >   
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > I use pine and evolution.  Pine is text based and great when I ssh into
> > > > > > my machine to work.  Evolution is slow, but plays well with pine and it
> > > > > > handles things needed for LKML very well. (the drop down menu "Normal"
> > > > > > may be changed to "Preformat", which allows of inserting text files
> > > > > > "as-is").
> > > > > >         
>
> This is also the way to do it with Thunderbird. It will do the right
> thing (and disables all formatting changes such as line wrapping to the
> inserted text) if you select 'Preformat' before pasting in a patch - at
> least my Thunderbird 1.0.7 does this.
>
>
> > > > > Dare I say it, KMail has also been doing the Right Thing for a long time.
> > > > > It will only line wrap things that you insert by typing; pastes are left
> > > > > untouched.
> > > > >       
> > > >
> > > > It seems that of all the popular mail clients only Thunderbird has this
> > > > problem.  AFAICT it's impossible to make it DTRT with inline patches and
> > > > even if it is the fact that most users get it wrong points to a serious
> > > > usability/UI issue.
> > > >
> > > > Would a patch to add "Don't use Thunderbird/Mozilla Mail" to
> > > > SubmittingPatches be accepted?  Then we can point the Mozilla developers
> > > > at it (they have shown zero interest in fixing the problem so far) and
> > > > hopefully this will light a fire under someone.
> > > >     
> > >
> > > Fundamentally the issue with Thunderbird is that it line-wraps AFTER you 
> > > compose an email, not during composition. I've never understood how, or why 
> > > this is useful to the end user, except for composing HTML emails (which 
> > > should be banned anyway).
> > >   
>
> Thunderbird will not linewrap anything that is inserted in 'Preformat' mode.
>
>
> > > Thunderbird is Yet Another mailer that could have been a good piece of 
> > > software if it hadn't attempted to be a clone of Outlook Express (defaulting 
> > > to Top Posting, HTML composition, line wrapping pastes).
> > >
> > > It's the mindset; fixing Thunderbird is probably easy, but convincing the 
> > > Mozilla developers to include such "fixes" is probably much harder.
> > >
> > >   
> >
> > Should be trivial to fix, when the user puts the editor into "Preformat"
> > mode or inserts a text file you surround it with <pre> tags.
>
> Fix the user behaviour you mean? Get them to select 'Preformat' before
> pasting patches into Thunderbird.

In my thunderbird, the "Paste Without Formatting" mode seems to be 
continually grayed out (i.e. unavailable).  I couldn't find anything in 
the preferences that altered this situation.  What's the secret?

--
Peter Williams                                   pwil3058@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

"Learning, n. The kind of ignorance distinguishing the studious."
 -- Ambrose Bierce
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