Re: [patch 00/21] mutex subsystem, -V14

[Linus Torvalds]

On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> the patch below adds the barriers to the asm-generic mutex routines, so 
> it's not like i'm lazy ;), but i really think this is unnecessary.  
> Adding this patch would add a second, unnecessary barrier for all the 
> arches that have barrier-less atomic ops.
> 
> it also makes sense: the moment you are interested in the 'previous 
> value' of the atomic counter in an atomic fashion, you very likely want 
> to use it for a critical section. (e.g. all the put-the-resource ops 
> that use atomic_dec_test() rely on this implicit barrier.)

Ok, fair enough. However, that still leaves the question of which way the 
barrier works. Traditionally, we have only cared about one thing: that all 
preceding writes have finished, because the "atomic_dec_return" thing is 
used as a _reference_counter_, and we're going to release the thing.

However, that's not the case in a mutex. A mutex locking operation works 
exactly the other way around: it doesn't really care about the previous 
writes at all, since those operations were unlocked. It cares about the 
_subsequent_ writes, since those have to be seen by others as being in the 
critical region, and never be seen as happening before the lock.

So I _think_ your argument is bogus, and your patch is bogus. The use of 
"atomic_dec_return()" in a mutex is _not_ the same barrier as using it for 
reference counting. Not at all. Memory barriers aren't just one thing: 
they are semi-permeable things in two different directions and with two 
different operations: there are several different kinds of them.

>  #define __mutex_fastpath_lock(count, fail_fn)				\
>  do {									\
> +	smp_mb__before_atomic_dec();					\
>  	if (unlikely(atomic_dec_return(count) < 0))			\
>  		fail_fn(count);						\
>  } while (0)

So I think the barrier has to come _after_ the atomic decrement (or 
exchange). 

Because as it is written now, any writes in the locked region could 
percolate up to just before the atomic dec - ie _outside_ the region. 
Which is against the whole point of a lock - it would allow another CPU to 
see the write even before it sees that the lock was successful, as far as
I can tell.

But memory ordering is subtle, so maybe I'm missing something..

		Linus
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