Re: PI patch against 2.6.16-rt9
From: Thomas Gleixner
Date: Tue Mar 28 2006 - 18:55:21 EST
On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 00:34 +0100, Esben Nielsen wrote:
> > Your method is tempting, but I do not see how it works out right now
>
> It works for PI.
Well, works and effective are two things. In the worst case it
introduces scheduler floods.
> It might give false positives for deadlock detection even
> without signals involved. But that might be solved by simply checking
> again.
Which is even more broken. Rechecking is less deterministic as the
global lock fall back solution.
> If it is stored on a task when they blocked on a lock it
> could be seen if they had released and reobtained the task since the last
> traversal.
-ENOPARSE
> If I should choose between a 100% certain deadlock detection and
> rescheduling while doing PI I would choose that latter as that gives a
> deterministic RT system. Are there at all applications depending on
> deadlock detection or is it only for debug perposes anyway?
No, userspace can request deadlock checking and we have to return
-EDEADLK in that case.
[EDEADLK]
A deadlock condition was detected or the current thread already
owns the mutex.
Returning false positives might break well designed applications and
prevent real deadlock detection.
Btw, your get/put_task proposal adds two atomic ops. Atomic ops are
implicit memory barriers and therefor you add two extra slow downs into
the non conflict case.
tglx
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