start_udev and devpts [Re: 2.6.21-rc6-mm1]

[J.A. MagallÃn]

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:50:39 +0200, "J.A. MagallÃn" <jamagallon@xxxxxxx> wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:22:50 -0700, Andrew Morton <akpm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:43:21 +0200 "J.A. MagallÃn" <jamagallon@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 04:58:01 -0700, Andrew Morton <akpm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:10:41 +0200 "J.A. MagallÃn" <jamagallon@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 14:35:59 -0700, Andrew Morton <akpm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/patches/2.6/2.6.21-rc6/2.6.21-rc6-mm1/
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > - Lots of x86 updates
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Has somthing related with PTY's changed in this kernel ?
> > > > 
> > > > Not as far as I know, but there were some kobject_uevent changes which
> > > > might have caused udev upcalls to break.  Perhaps.
> > > > 
> > > > > I have to enable legacy PTY handling in a couple boxes to get ssh working.
> > > > > If not, I had openpty() errors and nor sshd nor virtual terminals (aterm) were
> > > > > able to get a terminal.
> > > > 
> > > > I have CONFIG_PM_LEGACY unset in at least one of my test configs and it
> > > > works OK here.
> > > > 
> > > > > User space (udev) is the same in three boxes and one works and two fail.
> > > > > I had /dev/ptmx everywhere and /dev/pts mounted
> > > > > 
> > > > > Any idea ?
> > > > 
> > > > Nope.  Can you please check 2.6.21-rc7-mm1, see if that fixed it?  If so,
> > > > it might have been the kobject_uevent thing.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > I will, thanks.
> > > 
> > > A couple questions (as far as udev behaviour is sooooooo distro dependent):
> > > - What should I have in /dev if I don't use legacy ptys ? As I understand
> > >   it, only /dev/ptmx and /dev/pts/*, no /dev/tty* nor /dev/pty* ?
> > 
> > My FC5 CONFIG_LEGACY_PTYS=n box has no /dev/ptmx, /dev/pts/*, all of
> > /dev/tty0 through /dev/tty63 and no /dev/pty*.
> > 
> > I'm not sure where all the /dev/tty*'s came from - perhaps a static udev
> > rule?
> >
> 
> Uh ?
> From the Kconfig help fot UNIX98_PTYS:
> 
> Linux has traditionally used the BSD-like names /dev/ptyxx for
> masters and /dev/ttyxx for slaves of pseudo terminals. This scheme
> has a number of problems. The GNU C library glibc 2.1 and later,
> however, supports the Unix98 naming standard: in order to acquire a
> pseudo terminal, a process opens /dev/ptmx; the number of the pseudo
> terminal is then made available to the process and the pseudo
> terminal slave can be accessed as /dev/pts/<number>. What was
> traditionally /dev/ttyp2 will then be /dev/pts/2, for example.
> 
> So if all userspace is Unix98-aware, you just would be done with
> /dev/ptmx and /dev/pts/*. In your setup it looks like you are not able
> to use Unix98 PTYs, but as udev has created tty* things work.
> Or not ?
> 
> > > - If my setup, for whatever strange reasons has /dev/tty* stored anyware
> > >   (/dev/.udev, links.conf...) and they get created, I supose that opening
> > >   /dev/tty will give a ENODEV ?
> > 
> > well, /dev/tty is attached to your current tty and /dev/tty2 will get you
> > talking to the second VT.  I can't immediately thing what /dev/tty22 is
> > attached to.
> > 
> 
> I supposed it was something like you always opened /dev/tty but kernel+glibc
> redirect you to /dev/ttyXX, that is your _real_ terminal.
> I will try to check docs...
> 

Oops, no, /dev/tty?? are for virtual consoles.

But I think I found the problem.
In short, in /dev/pts is mounted before /dev. I remounted it and ssh worked
fine again.
I'll dig mandrivas rc's to check this...

Anyways, I see no plain 'mount' command in /sbin/start_udev, all are 
'mount --move' commands. So I think it supposes is already mounted and
tries to move it.

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