Re: sched_yield: delete sysctl_sched_compat_yield

[Zhang, Yanmin]

On Mon, 2007-12-03 at 09:45 +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > On Friday 30 November 2007 21:08, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > * Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > Haven't we been asking JVMs to use futexes or posix locking for years
> > > > and years now? [...]
> > >
> > > i'm curious, with what JVM was it tested and where's the source so i 
> > > can fix their locking for them? Can the problem be reproduced with:
> > 
> > Sure, but why shouldn't the compat behaviour be the default, and the 
> > sysctl go away?
> > 
> > It makes older JVMs work better, it is slightly closer to the old 
> > behaviour, and it is arguably a less surprising result.
> 
> as far as desktop apps such as firefox goes, the exact opposite is true. 
> We had two choices basically: either a "more agressive" yield than 
> before or a "less agressive" yield. Desktop apps were reported to hurt 
> from a "more agressive" yield (firefox for example gets some pretty bad 
> delays),
Why not to change source codes of firefox? If the sched_compat_yield=0,
the sys_sched_yield almost does nothing but returns, so firefox could just
do not call sched_yield. I assume 'sched_compat_yield=0' ~ no_call_to_sched_yield.

It's easier to delete calls to sched_yield in applications than to tune
calls to sched_yield.

>  so we defaulted to the less agressive method. (and we defaulted 
> to that in v2.6.23 already) Really, in this sense volanomark is another 
> test like dbench - we care about it but not unconditionally and in this 
> case it's a really silly API use that is at the center of the problem. 
> Talking about the default alone will not bring us forward, but we can 
> certainly add helpers to identify SCHED_OTHER::yield tasks - a once per 
> bootup warning perhaps?
> 
> 	Ingo
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