Re: kpowersave stuck at battery charging

[Alexey Starikovskiy]

Andrey Borzenkov wrote:
> On Wednesday 02 January 2008, Alexey Starikovskiy wrote:
>   
> > Andrey Borzenkov wrote:
> >     
> > > This is did not happen before; I am not sure right now what caused this 
> > >       
> (i.e. 
>   
> > > battery aging or some software change) nor whether this is 
> > >       
> kernel/HAL/kpowersave 
>   
> > > issue.
> > >
> > > kpowersave is stuck at assuming battery is loading and at 94%. Sysfs 
> > >       
> displays 
>   
> > > battery state as Full:
> > >
> > >   
> > >       
> > Frequent battery charging shortens lifetime of the battery, so some (may 
> > be all now)
> > notebook manufacturers do not start charging  battery until it discharge 
> > to some degree (~90%).
> >     
>
> I thought Li-Ion batteries do not have memory effect. Actually I remember to 
> have read recommendation to avoid deep discharges of Li-Ion battery, it was 
> adviced to charge it as often as possible.
>   
IBM has advice to not re-charge battery until it discharged to 95%.
It was implemented in their batteries/notebooks.
There is no memory effect in Li-Ion batteries, there is only limited 
number of
charge cycles -- about 1000 times, thus "as often as possible" is advice
of the battery seller :)
>   
> > It could be your case. Please try to discharge battery to, say, 89% and 
> > then check if it charges to the
> > 100%.
> >     
>
> That is exactly the question - how do you compute 100%? As far as I can tell the 
> only possibility is - when battery stops charging. At this point you have to 
> assume battery is fully charged.
>   
Last charge would be good reference. Think of the battery as constantly
degrading resource.
> I tried to discharge battery (it was around 78%) and plug AC in again. It went 
> on Charging until the same limit after that state changed to Full (well, in case 
> of ACPI battery we really only can state - not (dis-)charging, there is no 
> special Full state flag); kpowersave still believes battery is not fully 
> charged. Main interface shows 84% (no Charging) - tooltip states it is being 
> charged.
>
>   
So, that is the state of your battery. If you buy new one, it will go 
high again.

Regards,
Alex.
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