Re: [PATCH 00/17] [RFC] AFS: Implement OpenAFS pioctls(version)s

[Theodore Tso]

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 07:03:43PM +0100, David Howells wrote:
> Linus Torvalds <torvalds@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > What _I_ mean is that THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DO FROM USER SPACE!
> > 
> > Try it. Not doable. User space simply doesn't know enough, and has 
> > fundamental races with mount/umount.
> 
> Ummm...  I'm not sure I completely agree.  If you've managed to open, say,
> "/afs", where's the race with mount/umount?  You've got a file descriptor you
> can use as a handle.  Yes, you have to check that it's actually an inode of
> your fs, but that's not exactly difficult, and that's not going to change just
> because someone unmounts it or mounts over it whilst you've got it open.

I believe Linus is arguing that in the general case, it's impossible
to open the mountpoint of an arbitrarily mounted filesystem.  David,
you're arguing that by convention the afs root is *always* in /afs,
and that the afs utilities will always simply open "/afs", and thus
it's not hard to find the mount point, since afs works by having a
single top-level static mount point --- and AFS hides the
lookup of what volume server you might need to go to when you open
/afs/athena.mit.edu/user/t/y/tytso versus /afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr/shadow.

There are no magic "automounts" such that OS won't know that
user.tytso AFS Volume in the athena.mit.edu AFS cell is at
/afs/athena.mit.edu/user/t/y/tytso, so the only "mountpoint" that
exists as far as AFS is concerned is at /afs --- and that in the AFS
world, it's essentially a universal convention that AFS pathnames
begin with "/afs", and so the AFS filesystem will always be mounted in /afs.

      	   	       	      	  	     	  - Ted
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