Re: [RFC][PATCH] Randomize kernel base address on boot

[Linus Torvalds]

On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Ingo Molnar <mingo@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> If i understood you correctly you suggest randomizing the image by
> shifting the symbols in it around. The boot loader would still load
> an 'image' where it always loads it - just that image itself is
> randomized internally somewhat, right?

You snipped the other part of my email you responded to:

  For chrissake - you're doing the same thing. The only question is
  "when" (and the fact that if you do it at install-time, you can do a
  fancier job of it)

ie the fact that if you do it at install-time, you have the option of
being much more fancy about it.

So sure, the install time option *can* do more. It doesn't *have* to do more.

But being able to do a better job of randomization is *better*. Ok? It
doesn't mean you have to, but you have more options to do things if
you want to.

IOW, there is absolutely zero difference between doing it at
install-time or run-time, but the install-time one is (a) likely
easier and (b) certainly more flexible. But both of them do the exact
same thing, and require the exact same support in things like
/proc/kallsyms.

Of course, if we end up doing something really fancy (which the
install-time option allows), that obviously does mean that the
remapping by %pK thing for kallsyms needs to be much smarter too.

But at %pK time, you can *afford* to do that kind of things. At
boot-time, before you're even loaded and have a hard time even parsing
the e820 maps? Yeah, you're not going to do anything smart there, I
can tell you.

                   Linus
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