Re: [RFC] perf: need to expose sched_clock to correlate user sampleswith kernel samples

[Stephane Eranian]

On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 3:04 AM, John Stultz <john.stultz@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 10/16/2012 10:23 AM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 2012-10-16 at 12:13 +0200, Stephane Eranian wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> There are many situations where we want to correlate events happening at
>>> the user level with samples recorded in the perf_event kernel sampling
>>> buffer.
>>> For instance, we might want to correlate the call to a function or
>>> creation of
>>> a file with samples. Similarly, when we want to monitor a JVM with jitted
>>> code,
>>> we need to be able to correlate jitted code mappings with perf event
>>> samples
>>> for symbolization.
>>>
>>> Perf_events allows timestamping of samples with PERF_SAMPLE_TIME.
>>> That causes each PERF_RECORD_SAMPLE to include a timestamp
>>> generated by calling the local_clock() -> sched_clock_cpu() function.
>>>
>>> To make correlating user vs. kernel samples easy, we would need to
>>> access that sched_clock() functionality. However, none of the existing
>>> clock calls permit this at this point. They all return timestamps which
>>> are
>>> not using the same source and/or offset as sched_clock.
>>>
>>> I believe a similar issue exists with the ftrace subsystem.
>>>
>>> The problem needs to be adressed in a portable manner. Solutions
>>> based on reading TSC for the user level to reconstruct sched_clock()
>>> don't seem appropriate to me.
>>>
>>> One possibility to address this limitation would be to extend
>>> clock_gettime()
>>> with a new clock time, e.g., CLOCK_PERF.
>>>
>>> However, I understand that sched_clock_cpu() provides ordering guarantees
>>> only
>>> when invoked on the same CPU repeatedly, i.e., it's not globally
>>> synchronized.
>>> But we already have to deal with this problem when merging samples
>>> obtained
>>> from different CPU sampling buffer in per-thread mode. So this is not
>>> necessarily
>>> a showstopper.
>>>
>>> Alternatives could be to use uprobes but that's less practical to setup.
>>>
>>> Anyone with better ideas?
>>
>> You forgot to CC the time people ;-)
>>
>> I've no problem with adding CLOCK_PERF (or another/better name).
>
> Hrm. I'm not excited about exporting that sort of internal kernel details to
> userland.
>
> The behavior and expectations from sched_clock() has changed over the years,
> so I'm not sure its wise to export it, since we'd have to preserve its
> behavior from then on.
>
It's not about just exposing sched_clock(). We need to expose a time source
that is exactly equivalent to what perf_event uses internally. If sched_clock()
changes, then perf_event clock will change too and so would that new time
source for clock_gettime(). As long as everything remains consistent, we are
good.

> Also I worry that it will be abused in the same way that direct TSC access
> is, where the seemingly better performance from the more careful/correct
> CLOCK_MONOTONIC would cause developers to write fragile userland code that
> will break when moved from one machine to the next.
>
The only goal for this new time source is for correlating user-level
samples with
kernel level samples, i.e., application level events with a PMU counter overflow
for instance. Anybody trying anything else would be on their own.

clock_gettime(CLOCK_PERF): guarantee to return the same time source as
that used by the perf_event subsystem to timestamp samples when
PERF_SAMPLE_TIME is requested in attr->sample_type.

> I'd probably rather perf output timestamps to userland using sane clocks
> (CLOCK_MONOTONIC), rather then trying to introduce a new time domain to
> userland.   But I probably could be convinced I'm wrong.
>
Can you get CLOCK_MONOTONIC efficiently and in ALL circumstances without
grabbing any locks because that would need to run from NMI context?
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