Re: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/2] kvm/vmx: Output TSC offset

[Marcelo Tosatti]

On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 05:09:40PM +0900, Yoshihiro YUNOMAE wrote:
> Hi Marcelo,
> 
> Thank you for commenting on my patch set.
> 
> (2012/11/16 12:19), Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> >On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:36:21AM +0900, Yoshihiro YUNOMAE wrote:
> [...]
> >>In this summary, I suggest the patch which TSC offset for each guest can be
> >>output on the host.
> >
> >The guest TSC can change (for example if TSC scaling is used). Moreover
> >TSC offset can change, and you'd have to monitor that. What
> 
> Yes, that's true. Changing TSC offset is the key point to use TSC for
> merging trace data of guests and the host.
> 
> >about a module option so that tsc_offset is written as zero (to be
> >used as debugging tool). Then the following restrictions apply:
> >
> >- TSC must be synchronized across CPUs/VCPUS.
> >- TSC must be reliable.
> >
> >Would that suffice? (a module option to kvm.ko, say zero_tsc_offset).
> 
> As you say, the guest TSC can change, so guest TSC needs to meet these
> two restrictions to merge the trace data in chronological order.
> 
> However, the zero-TSC offset method is not enough, I think.
> I will use TSC values as the tracing timestamp not only for debugging
> but for failure analysis on actual operations. When we introduce
> the zero-TSC offset, normally it will be no problem. However, if
> the guest executes write_tsc or the guest works live migration, TSC
> offset will be changed. After all, we need to monitor the TSC offset
> value.
> 
> Thank you,

What i wrote was not precise.

With TSC scaling (of AMD's svm.c) or TSC trapping, the guest RDTSC is
not monotonic with reference to the host TSC. That is, TSC scaling
and/or trapping are fundamentally incompatible with the feature you
propose.

What you are saying is that is you'd like this feature for production,
not debugging. Unfortunately this requires a synchronized TSC across
CPUs, which is not widespread. Therefore the suggestion to introduce a
debugging facility (you cannot rely on this for failure analysis on all
systems).

Even then, a more reliable method for reporting TSC offset must be used.

Apart from these issues, it is very useful to correlate guest/host
events in the way you propose.

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