Re: [lxc-devel] Kernel bug? Setuid apps and user namespaces

[Andy Lutomirski]

On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Serge E. Hallyn <serge@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Quoting Andy Lutomirski (luto@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx):
>> On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Serge E. Hallyn <serge@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > Quoting Andy Lutomirski (luto@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx):
>> >> I'm starting to think that we need to extend dumpable to something
>> >> much more general like a list of struct creds that someone needs to be
>> >> able to ptrace, *in addition to current creds* in order to access
>> >> sensitive /proc files, coredumps, etc.  If you get started as setuid,
>> >
>> > Hm, yeah, this sort of makes sense.
>> >
>> >> then you start with two struct creds in the list (or maybe just your
>> >> euid and uid).  If you get started !setuid, then your initial creds
>> >> are in the list.  It's possible that few or no things will need to
>> >> change that list after execve.
>> >>
>> >> If all of the entries and current->cred are in the same user_ns, then
>> >> we can dump as userns root.  If they're in different usernses, then we
>> >> dump as global root or maybe the common ancestor root.
>> >> setuid(getuid()) and other such nastiness may have to empty the list,
>> >> or maybe we can just use a prctl for that.
>> >
>> > A few questions,
>> >
>> > 1. is there any other action which would trigger adding a new cred to
>> > the ist?
>>
>> I don't think so.  Anyone who can ptrace you from the start can
>> corrupt you such that you leak rights even if some future action
>> prevents new ptracers from attaching.
>>
>> OTOH, it might be nice for something like an HTTPS server to be able
>> to fork and shove its private key into the child, while preventing
>> anyone from ptracing the child.  But doing this securely without help
>> from someone with a different uid might be impossible anyway.
>>
>> >
>> > 2. would execve clear (and re-init) the list of creds?
>>
>> Probably.  Thoughts?
>
> Yeah it seems to me it should be re-initialized, with a cred added
> to the list for every open fd.

What do you mean "every fd"?

It seems odd to me that execve of anything that isn't setuid would add
anything to the list -- attackers can always ptrace before the execve
happens.

>
>> We could have a way to ask execve not to reinit the list.  Such a
>> mechanism would have to require no_new_privs to prevent a
>> straightforward attack on any setuid binary.
>
> If we don't add a cred for every open fd, then I think we need this.  If
> we do, then I'm not sure this makes sense.

See above.  I think I'm misunderstanding you.

>
>> We's also want PR_SET_DUMPABLE or a new prctl to be able reset the
>> list to contain just current-.cred, I think.
>
> Yeah PR_SET_DUMPABLE should reset it, agreed.
>
> -serge

--Andy
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