Re: [PATCH 2/2] workqueue: implement lockup detector

[Ulrich Obergfell]

Tejun,

I share Don's concern about connecting the soft lockup detector and the
workqueue watchdog to the same kernel parameter in /proc. I would feel
more comfortable if the workqueue watchdog had its dedicated parameter.


I also see a scenario that the proposed patch does not handle well: The
watchdog_thresh parameter can be changed 'on the fly' - i.e. it is not
necessary to disable and re-enable the watchdog. The flow of execution
looks like this.

  proc_watchdog_thresh
    proc_watchdog_update
      if (watchdog_enabled && watchdog_thresh)
          watchdog_enable_all_cpus
            if (!watchdog_running) {
                ...
            } else {
                //
                // update 'on the fly'
                //
                update_watchdog_all_cpus()
            }

The patched watchdog_enable_all_cpus() function disables the workqueue watchdog
unconditionally at [1]. However, the workqueue watchdog remains disabled if the
code path [2] is executed (and wq_watchdog_thresh is not updated as well).

static int watchdog_enable_all_cpus(void)
{
        int err = 0;

[1] --> disable_workqueue_watchdog();

        if (!watchdog_running) {
                ...
        } else {
     .-         /*
     |           * Enable/disable the lockup detectors or
     |           * change the sample period 'on the fly'.
     |           */
[2] <            err = update_watchdog_all_cpus();
     |
     |          if (err) {
     |                  watchdog_disable_all_cpus();
     |                  pr_err("Failed to update lockup detectors, disabled\n");
     '-         }
        }

        if (err)
                watchdog_enabled = 0;

        return err;
}


And another question that comes to my mind is: Would the workqueue watchdog
participate in the lockup detector suspend/resume mechanism, and if yes, how
would it be integrated into this ?


Regards,

Uli


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tejun Heo" <tj@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Don Zickus" <dzickus@xxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Ulrich Obergfell" <uobergfe@xxxxxxxxxx>, "Ingo Molnar" <mingo@xxxxxxxxxx>, "Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Andrew Morton" <akpm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, linux-kernel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, kernel-team@xxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 8:43:58 PM
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] workqueue: implement lockup detector

Hello, Don.

On Thu, Dec 03, 2015 at 12:50:24PM -0500, Don Zickus wrote:
> This sort of looks like the hung task detector..
> 
> I am a little concerned because we just made a big effort to properly
> separate the hardlockup and softlockup paths and yet retain the flexibility
> to enable/disable them separately.  Now it seems the workqueue detector is
> permanently entwined with the softlockup detector.  I am not entirely sure
> that is correct thing to do.

The only area they get entwined is how it's controlled from userland.
While it isn't quite the same as softlockup detection, I think what it
monitors is close enough that it makes sense to put them under the
same interface.

> It also seems awkward for the lockup code to have to jump to the workqueue
> code to function properly. :-/  Though we have made exceptions for the virt
> stuff and the workqueue code is simple..

Softlockup code doesn't depend on workqueue in any way.  Workqueue
tags on touch_softlockup to detect cases which shouldn't be warned and
its enabledness is controlled together with softlockup and that's it.

> Actually, I am curious, it seems if you just added a
> /proc/sys/kernel/wq_watchdog entry, you could elminiate the entire need for
> modifying the watchdog code to begin with.  As you really aren't using any
> of it other than piggybacking on the touch_softlockup_watchdog stuff, which
> could probably be easily added without all the extra enable/disable changes
> in watchdog.c.

Yeah, except for touch signal, it's purely interface thing.  I don't
feel too strong about this but it seems a bit silly to introduce a
whole different set of interface for this.  e.g. if the user wanted to
disable softlockup detection, it'd be weird to leave wq lockup
detection running.  The same goes for threshold.

> Again, this looks like what the hung task detector is doing, which I
> struggled with years ago to integrate with the lockup code because in the
> end I had trouble re-using much of it.

So, it's a stall detector and there are inherent similarities but the
conditions tested are pretty different and it's a lot lighter.  I'm
not really sure what you're meaning to say.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun
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