RE: [RFC PATCH 1/2] PCI/ACPI: Add ACPI support for non ECAM Host Bridge Controllers

[Gabriele Paoloni]

Hi Lorenzo, Arnd (thanks to you both for looking at this)

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> From: Arnd Bergmann [mailto:arnd@xxxxxxxx]
> Sent: 04 December 2015 13:57
> To: Lorenzo Pieralisi
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> Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/2] PCI/ACPI: Add ACPI support for non ECAM
> Host Bridge Controllers
> 
> On Friday 04 December 2015 12:04:04 Lorenzo Pieralisi wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 03, 2015 at 09:58:14PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> 
> > > pci-host-generic.c is just for standard PCI implementations, and it
> > > has zero code that would be shared with ACPI: Most of the
> > > implementation deals with parsing DT properties, and all that code
> > > is entirely differnet for ACPI and already exists in drivers/acpi.
> > > The one thing that could be shared is the ECAM config space access,
> > > but ACPI already needs something else here because it requires
> > > access to the config space at early boot time, way before we even
> load that driver, see raw_pci_read/raw_pci_write.
> >
> > Yes, I agree, basically ACPI has already a concept of "host generic"
> > layer, there is not much point in "merging" it with the
> > pci-host-generic.c driver. One thing is for certain: nothing in this
> > and Tomasz patchsets is
> > arm64 specific, and should not live in arch/arm64.

Ok so now I guess Tomasz is aware of this and probably he is reworking 
his patchset to move his code into "drivers/acpi/pci_*",
Tomasz can you confirm this?

If this is the case I'll wait for his new patchset to come out and
rebase mine on top of his new one. Otherwise I should directly rework
his patchset but it's pointless if he's already doing it...
 
> >
> > Side note: for the time being raw_pci_read/write will stay empty on
> > arm64 till someone explains to me what they are used for, we are not
> > adding them just because they are there for x86, I enquired within
> the
> > ACPI spec working group and frankly I do not see a usage for those on
> > arm64.
> 
> I think this is mainly so AML can poke into PCI config space to
> reconfigure things even during early boot, if necessary. You can have
> PCI devices that are owned by ACPI and not to be touched by the OS.
> 
> > > > I will put together a proposal to define the way we specify HID
> > > > and related DSD properties for PCI host controllers and send it
> to
> > > > the ACPI working group for review.

About this, rather than modifying the ACPI specs, I would consider
using dmi_decode() to know which HW we got underneath...what about?

> > >
> > > That also requires a change to SBSA, right? Today, SBSA assumes
> that
> > > we have a standard PCI host that will work with any hardware
> > > independent PCI implementation in an OS. We either have to give up
> > > on SBSA saying much about how PCI hosts are implemented, or stop
> > > assuming that hardware is SBSA compliant.
> >
> > It is not even a SBSA change, ECAM is a PCIe standard. I am fine with
> > NAK'ing all code that is not ECAM compliant, problem is, we are
> > dealing with HW quirks here, it is not something we can fix in FW
> either.
> >
> > I do not think SBSA can rule out HW bugs (call them quirks if you
> > wish), because that's what we are dealing with here, the line between
> > HW bugs and designs that deliberately deviate from ECAM is thin.
> 
> Right, and some are further away from the standard than others.
> 
> > > > Second, I am against merging _any_ ACPI/PCI code for arm64 before
> > > > we define a way for the kernel to detect if resources should be
> > > > reassigned or just claimed as they are, as set-up by BIOS.
> > >
> > > Why would it ever reassign anything that has been set up by the
> BIOS?
> > > We are still talking about server systems, right?
> >
> > Do not ask me I agree 100% with you here :), but I can bet some
> > systems currently shipping with ACPI/PCI on ARM (not upstream) tend
> to
> > be inherited from DT where resources are _always_ reassigned and if
> we
> > start claiming them they till break in a spectacular way, someone has
> > to update that FW.
> >
> > Does "booting with ACPI" implies "FW set-up resources - do not
> reassign" ?
> 
> I think that should be true on any server regardless of ACPI: if we
> have a BIOS, we can expect it to do the job right. The reason we tend
> to completely ignore any PCI setup on most embedded systems is that we
> don't trust u-boot to do that right (or at all).
> 
> > That's an optimistic assumption IMHO. We either need a FW flag, or we
> > just force resource claiming on ACPI, and reassign the resources that
> > could not be claimed. We have to do it for ACPI only, on DT due to
> > legacy we can't do that anymore, we would break the world.
> 
> Hmm, but having a flag in the ACPI tables for "BIOS is broken" won't
> work if we require the BIOS to set that flag. In that case, we could
> just fix the BIOS. ;-)
> 
> > I am quite happy to force resource claiming when booting with ACPI,
> > since that will force FW developers to toe the line, what I am saying
> > is that it is not well defined, at all.
> >
> > I rest my case: I am against merging _any_ ACPI/PCI code before we
> > define in stone when/if the kernel should reassign resources (answer
> > can be "never"), as soon as we merge a platform that requires
> > resources assignment to work we are stuck with it forever (see DT
> host controllers).
> 
> Fair enough.

Ok fine

> 
> 	Arnd
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