Re: [PATCH locking/Documentation 1/2] Add note of release-acquire store vulnerability

[Paul E. McKenney]

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 12:25:16PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 09:43:53AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > If two processes are related by a RELEASE+ACQUIRE pair, ordering can be
> > broken if a third process overwrites the value written by the RELEASE
> > operation before the ACQUIRE operation has a chance of reading it, for
> > example:
> > 
> > 	P0(int *x, int *y)
> > 	{
> > 		WRITE_ONCE(*x, 1);
> > 		smp_store_release(y, 1);
> > 	}
> > 
> > 	P1(int *y)
> > 	{
> > 		smp_store_release(y, 2);
> > 	}
> > 
> > 	P2(int *x, int *y)
> > 	{
> > 		r1 = smp_load_acquire(y);
> > 		r2 = READ_ONCE(*x);
> > 	}
> > 
> > Both ARM and powerpc allow the "after the dust settles" outcome (r1=2 &&
> > r2=0), as does the current version of the early prototype Linux-kernel
> > memory model.
> > 
> > This commit therefore updates the documentation to call this vulnerability
> > out explicitly.
> 
> So its a pretty dumb thing to do in any case (and yes the kernel does
> this). Its also entirely expected in my book, that if you generate
> conflicting writes on a release, ordering is out the window.
> 
> Why do we need to call this out? Who in his right mind would want to do
> this and expect anything other than wreckage?
> 
> Not that we're not having too much 'fun' discussing this,.. but I do
> wonder why we need to call this out.

You lost me on this one...  If no one does this, sure, we can leave it out.
But if some part of the kernel does rely on this, we should call it out as
forbidden.  And fix the kernel, of course.

Or am I missing your point?

								Thanx, Paul