Re: Enabling peer to peer device transactions for PCIe devices

[Jason Gunthorpe]

On Thu, Jan 05, 2017 at 03:19:36PM -0500, Jerome Glisse wrote:

> > Always having a VMA changes the discussion - the question is how to
> > create a VMA that reprensents IO device memory, and how do DMA
> > consumers extract the correct information from that VMA to pass to the
> > kernel DMA API so it can setup peer-peer DMA.
> 
> Well my point is that it can't be. In HMM case inside a single VMA
> you
[..]

> In the GPUDirect case the idea is that you have a specific device vma
> that you map for peer to peer.

[..]

I still don't understand what you driving at - you've said in both
cases a user VMA exists.

>From my perspective in RDMA, all I want is a core kernel flow to
convert a '__user *' into a scatter list of DMA addresses, that works no
matter what is backing that VMA, be it HMM, a 'hidden' GPU object, or
struct page memory.

A '__user *' pointer is the only way to setup a RDMA MR, and I see no
reason to have another API at this time.

The details of how to translate to a scatter list are a MM subject,
and the MM folks need to get 

I just don't care if that routine works at a page level, or a whole
VMA level, or some combination of both, that is up to the MM team to
figure out :)

> a page level. Expectation here is that the GPU userspace expose a special
> API to allow RDMA to directly happen on GPU object allocated through
> GPU specific API (ie it is not regular memory and it is not accessible
> by CPU).

So, how do you identify these GPU objects? How do you expect RDMA
convert them to scatter lists? How will ODP work?

> > We have MMU notifiers to handle this today in RDMA. Async RDMA MR
> > Invalidate like you see in the above out of tree patches is totally
> > crazy and shouldn't be in mainline. Use ODP capable RDMA hardware.
> 
> Well there is still a large base of hardware that do not have such
> feature and some people would like to be able to keep using those.

Hopefully someone will figure out how to do that without the crazy
async MR invalidation.

Jason