On 12/14/2017 9:15 AM, Stephen Smalley wrote:Well Kubernetes and OpenShift do set the labels to be the same within a project, and they can manage
On Thu, 2017-12-14 at 09:00 -0800, Casey Schaufler wrote:True enough. I can imagine a use case, but as you point out, it
On 12/14/2017 8:42 AM, Stephen Smalley wrote:Even if someone were to configure labeled networking, Docker is not
On Thu, 2017-12-14 at 08:18 -0800, Casey Schaufler wrote:If labeled networking weren't an issue we'd have full security
On 12/13/2017 7:18 AM, Stephen Smalley wrote:Docker isn't using labeled networking (nor is anything else by
On Wed, 2017-12-13 at 09:25 +0000, yangjihong wrote:You can't reuse the security context. A process in ContainerA
Hello,So, does docker just keep allocating a unique category set for
I am doing stressing testing on 3.10 kernel(centos 7.4), to
constantly starting numbers of docker ontainers with selinux
enabled,
and after about 2 days, the kernel softlockup panic:
<IRQ> [<ffffffff810bb778>] sched_show_task+0xb8/0x120
[<ffffffff8116133f>] show_lock_info+0x20f/0x3a0
[<ffffffff811226aa>] watchdog_timer_fn+0x1da/0x2f0
[<ffffffff811224d0>] ?
watchdog_enable_all_cpus.part.4+0x40/0x40
[<ffffffff810abf82>] __hrtimer_run_queues+0xd2/0x260
[<ffffffff810ac520>] hrtimer_interrupt+0xb0/0x1e0
[<ffffffff8104a477>] local_apic_timer_interrupt+0x37/0x60
[<ffffffff8166fd90>] smp_apic_timer_interrupt+0x50/0x140
[<ffffffff8166e1dd>] apic_timer_interrupt+0x6d/0x80
<EOI> [<ffffffff812b4193>] ?
sidtab_context_to_sid+0xb3/0x480
[<ffffffff812b41f0>] ? sidtab_context_to_sid+0x110/0x480
[<ffffffff812c0d15>] ? mls_setup_user_range+0x145/0x250
[<ffffffff812bd477>] security_get_user_sids+0x3f7/0x550
[<ffffffff812b1a8b>] sel_write_user+0x12b/0x210
[<ffffffff812b1960>] ? sel_write_member+0x200/0x200
[<ffffffff812b01d8>] selinux_transaction_write+0x48/0x80
[<ffffffff811f444d>] vfs_write+0xbd/0x1e0
[<ffffffff811f4eef>] SyS_write+0x7f/0xe0
[<ffffffff8166d433>] system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b
My opinion:
when the docker container starts, it would mount overlay
filesystem
with different selinux context, mount point such as:
overlay on
/var/lib/docker/overlay2/be3ef517730d92fc4530e0e952eae4f6cb0f
07b4
bc32
6cb07495ca08fc9ddb66/merged type overlay
(rw,relatime,context="system_u:object_r:svirt_sandbox_file_t:
s0:c
414,
c873",lowerdir=/var/lib/docker/overlay2/l/Z4U7WY6ASNV5CFWLADP
ARHH
WY7:
/var/lib/docker/overlay2/l/V2S3HOKEFEOQLHBVAL5WLA3YLS:/var/li
b/do
cker
/overlay2/l/46YGYO474KLOULZGDSZDW2JPRI,upperdir=/var/lib/dock
er/o
verl
ay2/be3ef517730d92fc4530e0e952eae4f6cb0f07b4bc326cb07495ca08f
c9dd
b66/
diff,workdir=/var/lib/docker/overlay2/be3ef517730d92fc4530e0e
952e
ae4f
6cb0f07b4bc326cb07495ca08fc9ddb66/work)
shm on
/var/lib/docker/containers/9fd65e177d2132011d7b422755793449c9
1327
ca57
7b8f5d9d6a4adf218d4876/shm type tmpfs
(rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,context="system_u:object_r:s
virt
_san
dbox_file_t:s0:c414,c873",size=65536k)
overlay on
/var/lib/docker/overlay2/38d1544d080145c7d76150530d0255991dfb
7258
cbca
14ff6d165b94353eefab/merged type overlay
(rw,relatime,context="system_u:object_r:svirt_sandbox_file_t:
s0:c
431,
c651",lowerdir=/var/lib/docker/overlay2/l/3MQQXB4UCLFB7ANVRHP
AVRC
RSS:
/var/lib/docker/overlay2/l/46YGYO474KLOULZGDSZDW2JPRI,upperdi
r=/v
ar/l
ib/docker/overlay2/38d1544d080145c7d76150530d0255991dfb7258cb
ca14
ff6d
165b94353eefab/diff,workdir=/var/lib/docker/overlay2/38d1544d
0801
45c7
d76150530d0255991dfb7258cbca14ff6d165b94353eefab/work)
shm on
/var/lib/docker/containers/662e7f798fc08b09eae0f0f944537a4bce
dc1d
cf05
a65866458523ffd4a71614/shm type tmpfs
(rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,context="system_u:object_r:s
virt
_san
dbox_file_t:s0:c431,c651",size=65536k)
sidtab_search_context check the context whether is in the
sidtab
list, If not found, a new node is generated and insert into
the
list,
As the number of containers is increasing, context nodes are
also
more and more, we tested the final number of nodes reached
300,000 +,
sidtab_context_to_sid runtime needs 100-200ms, which will
lead to
the
system softlockup.
Is this a selinux bug? When filesystem umount, why context
node
is
not deleted? I cannot find the relevant function to delete
the
node
in sidtab.c
Thanks for reading and looking forward to your reply.
every
new container, never reusing them even if the container is
destroyed?
That would be a bug in docker IMHO. Or are you creating an
unbounded
number of containers and never destroying the older ones?
sends
a labeled packet to MachineB. ContainerA goes away and its
context
is recycled in ContainerC. MachineB responds some time later,
again
with a labeled packet. ContainerC gets information intended for
ContainerA, and uses the information to take over the Elbonian
government.
default;
it is only enabled if explicitly configured).
module stacking by now. Yes, it's an edge case. If you want to
use labeled NFS or a local filesystem that gets mounted in each
container (don't tell me that nobody would do that) you've got
the same problem.
presently relying on that or SELinux network enforcement for any
security properties, so it really doesn't matter.
would be a very complex configuration and coordination exercise
using SELinux.
And if they wanted
to do that, they'd have to coordinate category assignments across all
systems involved, for which no facility exists AFAIK. If you have two
docker instances running on different hosts, I'd wager that they can
hand out the same category sets today to different containers.
With respect to labeled NFS, that's also not the default for nfs
mounts, so again it is a custom configuration and Docker isn't relying
on it for any guarantees today. For local filesystems, they would
normally be context-mounted or using genfscon rather than xattrs in
order to be accessible to the container, thus no persistent storage of
the category sets.
I know that is the intended configuration, but I see people do
all sorts of stoopid things for what they believe are good reasons.
Unfortunately, lots of people count on containers to provide
isolation, but create "solutions" for data sharing that defeat it.
Certainly docker could provide an option to not reuse category sets,It seems that Docker might have a similar issue with UIDs,
but making that the default is not sane and just guarantees exhaustion
of the SID and context space (just create and tear down lots of
containers every day or more frequently).
but it takes longer to run out of UIDs than sidtab entries.
Yes, if we know that the SID wasn't in use at the time we tore it down.I would suggest that if you delete a sidtab node and someoneWe don't know when we can safely delete a sidtab node since SIDsOn the selinux userspace side, we'd also like to eliminate theYou could delete a sidtab node. The code already deals with
use
of
/sys/fs/selinux/user (sel_write_user -> security_get_user_sids)
entirely, which is what triggered this for you.
We cannot currently delete a sidtab node because we have no way
of
knowing if there are any lingering references to the
SID. Fixing
that
would require reference-counted SIDs, which goes beyond just
SELinux
since SIDs/secids are returned by LSM hooks and cached in other
kernel
data structures.
unfindable
SIDs. The issue is that eventually you run out of SIDs. Then you
are
forced to recycle SIDs, which leads to the overthrow of the
Elbonian
government.
aren't
reference counted and we can't know whether it is still in use
somewhere in the kernel. Doing so prematurely would lead to the
SID
being remapped to the unlabeled context, and then likely to
undesired
denials.
comes along later and tries to use it that denial is exactly
what you would desire. I don't see any other rational action.
But if we're just randomly deleting sidtab entries based on age or
something (since we have no reference count), we'll almost certainly
encounter situations where a SID hasn't been accessed in a long time
but is still being legitimately cached somewhere. Just a file that
hasn't been accessed in a while might have that SID still cached in its
inode security blob, or anywhere else.
Not sure what you mean, but it can certainly be changed to at leastsidtab_search_context() could no doubt be optimized for theThis seems like a bad idea.
negative
case; there was an earlier optimization for the positive case
by
adding
a cache to sidtab_context_to_sid() prior to calling it. It's a
reverse
lookup in the sidtab.
use
a hash table for these reverse lookups.