Re: [RFC v2 PATCH 2/2] mm: mmap: zap pages with read mmap_sem for large mapping

[Yang Shi]

On 6/20/18 12:18 AM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Tue 19-06-18 17:31:27, Nadav Amit wrote:
> > at 4:08 PM, Yang Shi <yang.shi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > On 6/19/18 3:17 PM, Nadav Amit wrote:
> > > > at 4:34 PM, Yang Shi <yang.shi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >   wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > When running some mmap/munmap scalability tests with large memory (i.e.
> > > > >
> > > > > > 300GB), the below hung task issue may happen occasionally.
> > > > > INFO: task ps:14018 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
> > > > >        Tainted: G            E 4.9.79-009.ali3000.alios7.x86_64 #1
> > > > > "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this
> > > > > message.
> > > > > ps              D    0 14018      1 0x00000004
> > > > (snip)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Zapping pages is the most time consuming part, according to the
> > > > > suggestion from Michal Hock [1], zapping pages can be done with holding
> > > > > read mmap_sem, like what MADV_DONTNEED does. Then re-acquire write
> > > > > mmap_sem to manipulate vmas.
> > > > Does munmap() == MADV_DONTNEED + munmap() ?
> > > Not exactly the same. So, I basically copied the page zapping used by munmap instead of calling MADV_DONTNEED.
> > >
> > > > For example, what happens with userfaultfd in this case? Can you get an
> > > > extra #PF, which would be visible to userspace, before the munmap is
> > > > finished?
> > > userfaultfd is handled by regular munmap path. So, no change to userfaultfd part.
> > Right. I see it now.
> >
> > > > In addition, would it be ok for the user to potentially get a zeroed page in
> > > > the time window after the MADV_DONTNEED finished removing a PTE and before
> > > > the munmap() is done?
> > > This should be undefined behavior according to Michal. This has been discussed in  https://lwn.net/Articles/753269/.
> > Thanks for the reference.
> >
> > Reading the man page I see: "All pages containing a part of the indicated
> > range are unmapped, and subsequent references to these pages will generate
> > SIGSEGV.â
> Yes, this is true but I guess what Yang Shi meant was that an userspace
> access racing with munmap is not well defined. You never know whether
> you get your data, #PTF or SEGV because it depends on timing. The user
> visible change might be that you lose content and get zero page instead
> if you hit the race window while we are unmapping which was not possible
> before. But whouldn't such an access pattern be buggy anyway? You need
> some form of external synchronization AFAICS.
>
> But maybe some userspace depends on "getting right data or get SEGV"
> semantic. If we have to preserve that then we can come up with a VM_DEAD
> flag set before we tear it down and force the SEGV on the #PF path.
> Something similar we already do for MMF_UNSTABLE.

Set VM_DEAD with read mmap_sem held? It should be ok since this is the 
only place to set this flag for this unique special case.

Yang