Re: [LKP] [mm] ac5b2c1891: vm-scalability.throughput -61.3% regression
From: David Rientjes
Date: Fri Dec 14 2018 - 16:04:18 EST
On Wed, 12 Dec 2018, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> > Regarding the role of direct reclaim in the allocator, I think we need
> > work on the feedback from compaction to determine whether it's worthwhile.
> > That's difficult because of the point I continue to bring up:
> > isolate_freepages() is not necessarily always able to access this freed
> > memory.
> That's one of the *many* reasons why having free base pages doesn't
> guarantee compaction success. We can and will improve on that. But I
> don't think it would be e.g. practical to check the pfns of free pages
> wrt compaction scanner positions and decide based on that.
Yeah, agreed. Rather than proposing that memory is only reclaimed if its
known that it can be accessible to isolate_freepages(), I'm wondering
about the implementation of the freeing scanner entirely.
In other words, I think there is a lot of potential stranding that occurs
for both scanners that could otherwise result in completely free
pageblocks. If there a single movable page present near the end of the
zone in an otherwise fully free pageblock, surely we can do better than
the current implementation that would never consider this very easy to
For hugepages, we don't care what pageblock we allocate from. There are
requirements for MAX_ORDER-1, but I assume we shouldn't optimize for these
cases (and if CMA has requirements for a migration/freeing scanner
redesign, I think that can be special cased).
The same problem occurs for the migration scanner where we can iterate
over a ton of free memory that is never considered a suitable migration
target. The implementation that attempts to migrate all memory toward the
end of the zone penalizes the freeing scanner when it is reset: we just
iterate over a ton of used pages.
Reclaim likely could be deterministically useful if we consider a redesign
of how migration sources and targets are determined in compaction.
Has anybody tried a migration scanner that isn't linearly based, rather
finding the highest-order free page of the same migratetype, iterating the
pages of its pageblock, and using this to determine whether the actual
migration will be worthwhile or not? I could imagine pageblock_skip being
repurposed for this as the heuristic.
Finding migration targets would be more tricky, but if we iterate the
pages of the pageblock for low-order free pages and find them to be mostly
used, that seems more appropriate than just pushing all memory to the end
of the zone?
It would be interesting to know if anybody has tried using the per-zone
free_area's to determine migration targets and set a bit if it should be
considered a migration source or a migration target. If all pages for a
pageblock are not on free_areas, they are fully used.
> > otherwise we fail and defer because it wasn't able
> > to make a hugepage available.
> Note that THP fault compaction doesn't actually defer itself, which I
> think is a weakness of the current implementation and hope that patch 3
> in my series from yesterday  can address that. Because defering is
> the general feedback mechanism that we have for suppressing compaction
> (and thus associated reclaim) in cases it fails for any reason, not just
> the one you mention. Instead of inspecting failure conditions in detail,
> which would be costly, it's a simple statistical approach. And when
> compaction is improved to fail less, defering automatically also happens
I couldn't get the link to work, unfortunately, I don't think the patch
series made it to LKML :/ I do see it archived for linux-mm, though, so
I'll take a look, thanks!
>  https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20181211142941.20500-1-vbabka@xxxxxxx