Re: [PATCH 1/2] mm: introduce put_user_page*(), placeholder versions

[Jerome Glisse]

On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 11:51:51AM -0800, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 02:48:00PM -0500, Jerome Glisse wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 10:34:43AM -0800, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > > On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 01:11:50PM -0500, Jerome Glisse wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 08:58:19AM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > > > > Sure, that's a possibility, but that doesn't close off any race
> > > > > conditions because there can be DMA into the page in progress while
> > > > > the page is being bounced, right? AFAICT this ext3+DIF/DIX case is
> > > > > different in that there is no 3rd-party access to the page while it
> > > > > is under IO (ext3 arbitrates all access to it's metadata), and so
> > > > > nothing can actually race for modification of the page between
> > > > > submission and bouncing at the block layer.
> > > > > 
> > > > > In this case, the moment the page is unlocked, anyone else can map
> > > > > it and start (R)DMA on it, and that can happen before the bio is
> > > > > bounced by the block layer. So AFAICT, block layer bouncing doesn't
> > > > > solve the problem of racing writeback and DMA direct to the page we
> > > > > are doing IO on. Yes, it reduces the race window substantially, but
> > > > > it doesn't get rid of it.
> > > > 
> > > > So the event flow is:
> > > >     - userspace create object that match a range of virtual address
> > > >       against a given kernel sub-system (let's say infiniband) and
> > > >       let's assume that the range is an mmap() of a regular file
> > > >     - device driver do GUP on the range (let's assume it is a write
> > > >       GUP) so if the page is not already map with write permission
> > > >       in the page table than a page fault is trigger and page_mkwrite
> > > >       happens
> > > >     - Once GUP return the page to the device driver and once the
> > > >       device driver as updated the hardware states to allow access
> > > >       to this page then from that point on hardware can write to the
> > > >       page at _any_ time, it is fully disconnected from any fs event
> > > >       like write back, it fully ignore things like page_mkclean
> > > > 
> > > > This is how it is to day, we allowed people to push upstream such
> > > > users of GUP. This is a fact we have to live with, we can not stop
> > > > hardware access to the page, we can not force the hardware to follow
> > > > page_mkclean and force a page_mkwrite once write back ends. This is
> > > > the situation we are inheriting (and i am personnaly not happy with
> > > > that).
> > > > 
> > > > >From my point of view we are left with 2 choices:
> > > >     [C1] break all drivers that do not abide by the page_mkclean and
> > > >          page_mkwrite
> > > >     [C2] mitigate as much as possible the issue
> > > > 
> > > > For [C2] the idea is to keep track of GUP per page so we know if we
> > > > can expect the page to be written to at any time. Here is the event
> > > > flow:
> > > >     - driver GUP the page and program the hardware, page is mark as
> > > >       GUPed
> > > >     ...
> > > >     - write back kicks in on the dirty page, lock the page and every
> > > >       thing as usual , sees it is GUPed and inform the block layer to
> > > >       use a bounce page
> > > 
> > > No.  The solution John, Dan & I have been looking at is to take the
> > > dirty page off the LRU while it is pinned by GUP.  It will never be
> > > found for writeback.
> > > 
> > > That's not the end of the story though.  Other parts of the kernel (eg
> > > msync) also need to be taught to stay away from pages which are pinned
> > > by GUP.  But the idea is that no page gets written back to storage while
> > > it's pinned by GUP.  Only when the last GUP ends is the page returned
> > > to the list of dirty pages.
> > > 
> > > >     - block layer copy the page to a bounce page effectively creating
> > > >       a snapshot of what is the content of the real page. This allows
> > > >       everything in block layer that need stable content to work on
> > > >       the bounce page (raid, stripping, encryption, ...)
> > > >     - once write back is done the page is not marked clean but stays
> > > >       dirty, this effectively disable things like COW for filesystem
> > > >       and other feature that expect page_mkwrite between write back.
> > > >       AFAIK it is believe that it is something acceptable
> > > 
> > > So none of this is necessary.
> > 
> > With the solution you are proposing we loose GUP fast and we have to
> > allocate a structure for each page that is under GUP, and the LRU
> > changes too. Moreover by not writing back there is a greater chance
> > of data loss.
> 
> Why can't you store the hmm_data in a side data structure?  Why does it
> have to be in struct page?

hmm_data is not even the issue here, we can have a pincount without
moving things around. So i do not see the need to complexify any of
the existing code to add new structure and consume more memory for
no good reasons. I do not see any benefit in that.

Cheers,
Jérôme