RE: [PATCH 1/4] fs: Implement close-on-fork

[Karstens, Nate]

> It's not safe to call system() from a threaded app.  That's all.  It's right there in the DESCRIPTION:

That is true, but that description is missing from both the Linux man page and the glibc documentation (https://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_mono/libc.html#Running-a-Command). It seems like a minor point that won't be noticed until it causes a problem, and problems are rare enough they might go unnoticed for a while. We have removed system() from our application, but we're also concerned that libraries we integrate will use system() without our knowledge.

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Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] fs: Implement close-on-fork

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On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 03:36:09PM +0000, Karstens, Nate wrote:
> There was some skepticism about whether our practice of
> closing/reopening sockets was advisable. Regardless, it does expose
> what I believe to be something that was overlooked in the forking
> process model. We posted two solutions to the Austin Group defect tracker:

I don't think it was "overlooked" at all.  It's not safe to call system() from a threaded app.  That's all.  It's right there in the DESCRIPTION:

   The system() function need not be thread-safe.
https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/functions/system.html

> Ultimately the Austin Group felt that close-on-fork was the preferred
> approach. I think it's also worth pointing that out Solaris reportedly
> has this feature
> (https://www.mail-archive.com/austin-group-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx/msg05359.html).

I am perplexed that the Austin Group thought this was a good idea.

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