Re: [RFC PATCH 1/2] mm,drm/ttm: Block fast GUP to TTM huge pages

From: Christian König
Date: Thu Mar 25 2021 - 09:55:44 EST


Am 25.03.21 um 14:33 schrieb Jason Gunthorpe:
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 02:26:50PM +0100, Christian König wrote:
Am 25.03.21 um 14:17 schrieb Jason Gunthorpe:
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 02:05:14PM +0100, Christian König wrote:
Am 25.03.21 um 13:42 schrieb Jason Gunthorpe:
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 01:09:14PM +0100, Christian König wrote:
Am 25.03.21 um 13:01 schrieb Jason Gunthorpe:
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 12:53:15PM +0100, Thomas Hellström (Intel) wrote:

Nope. The point here was that in this case, to make sure mmap uses the
correct VA to give us a reasonable chance of alignement, the driver might
need to be aware of and do trickery with the huge page-table-entry sizes
anyway, although I think in most cases a standard helper for this can be
supplied.
Of course the driver needs some way to influence the VA mmap uses,
gernally it should align to the natural page size of the device
Well a mmap() needs to be aligned to the page size of the CPU, but not
necessarily to the one of the device.

So I'm pretty sure the device driver should not be involved in any way the
choosing of the VA for the CPU mapping.
No, if the device wants to use huge pages it must influence the mmap
VA or it can't form huge pgaes.
No, that's the job of the core MM and not of the individual driver.
The core mm doesn't know the page size of the device, only which of
several page levels the arch supports. The device must be involevd
here.
Why? See you can have a device which has for example 256KiB pages, but it
should perfectly work that the CPU mapping is aligned to only 4KiB.
The goal is to optimize large page size usage in the page tables.

There are three critera that impact this:
1) The possible CPU page table sizes
2) The useful contiguity the device can create in its iomemory
3) The VA's alignment, as this sets an upper bound on 1 and 2

If a device has 256k pages and the arch supports 2M and 4k then the VA
should align to somewhere between 4k and 256k. The ideal alignment
would be to optimize PTE usage when stuffing 256k blocks by fully
populating PTEs and depends on the arch's # of PTE's per page.

Ah! So you want to also avoid that we only halve populate a PTEs as well! That rather nifty.

But you don't need the device page size for this. Just looking at the size of the mapping should be enough.

In other words we would align the VA so that it tries to avoid crossing page table boundaries.

But to be honest I'm really wondering why the heck we don't already do this in vm_unmapped_area(). That should be beneficial for basically every slightly larger mapping.

Christian.


If a device has 256k pages and the arch supports 256k pages then the
VA should align to 256k.

The device should never be touching any of this, it should simply
inform what its operating page size is and the MM should use that to
align the VA.

Jason