Re: [PATCH 0/2] Introduce security_create_user_ns()
From: Casey Schaufler
Date: Mon Jun 27 2022 - 13:25:09 EST
On 6/27/2022 8:56 AM, Christian Brauner wrote:
On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 10:51:48AM -0500, Frederick Lawler wrote:
On 6/27/22 7:11 AM, Christian Brauner wrote:
On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 11:21:37PM -0400, Paul Moore wrote:
On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 10:24 AM Frederick Lawler <fred@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 6/21/22 7:19 PM, Casey Schaufler wrote:
On 6/21/2022 4:39 PM, Frederick Lawler wrote:
While creating a LSM BPF MAC policy to block user namespace creation, we
used the LSM cred_prepare hook because that is the closest hook to
prevent
a call to create_user_ns().
The calls look something like this:
cred = prepare_creds()
security_prepare_creds()
call_int_hook(cred_prepare, ...
if (cred)
create_user_ns(cred)
We noticed that error codes were not propagated from this hook and
introduced a patch [1] to propagate those errors.
The discussion notes that security_prepare_creds()
is not appropriate for MAC policies, and instead the hook is
meant for LSM authors to prepare credentials for mutation. [2]
Ultimately, we concluded that a better course of action is to introduce
a new security hook for LSM authors. [3]
This patch set first introduces a new security_create_user_ns() function
and create_user_ns LSM hook, then marks the hook as sleepable in BPF.
Why restrict this hook to user namespaces? It seems that an LSM that
chooses to preform controls on user namespaces may want to do so for
network namespaces as well.
IIRC, CLONE_NEWUSER is the only namespace flag that does not require
CAP_SYS_ADMIN. There is a security use case to prevent this namespace
from being created within an unprivileged environment. I'm not opposed
to a more generic hook, but I don't currently have a use case to block
any others. We can also say the same is true for the other namespaces:
add this generic security function to these too.
I'm curious what others think about this too.
While user namespaces are obviously one of the more significant
namespaces from a security perspective, I do think it seems reasonable
that the LSMs could benefit from additional namespace creation hooks.
However, I don't think we need to do all of them at once, starting
with a userns hook seems okay to me.
I also think that using the same LSM hook as an access control point
for all of the different namespaces would be a mistake. At the very
Agreed. >
least we would need to pass a flag or some form of context to the hook
to indicate which new namespace(s) are being requested and I fear that
is a problem waiting to happen. That isn't to say someone couldn't
mistakenly call the security_create_user_ns(...) from the mount
namespace code, but I suspect that is much easier to identify as wrong
than the equivalent security_create_ns(USER, ...).
Yeah, I think that's a pretty unlikely scenario.
We also should acknowledge that while in most cases the current task's
credentials are probably sufficient to make any LSM access control
decisions around namespace creation, it's possible that for some
namespaces we would need to pass additional, namespace specific info
to the LSM. With a shared LSM hook this could become rather awkward.
Agreed.
Also, the hook seems backwards. You should
decide if the creation of the namespace is allowed before you create it.
Passing the new namespace to a function that checks to see creating a
namespace is allowed doesn't make a lot off sense.
I think having more context to a security hook is a good thing.
This is one of the reasons why I usually like to see at least one LSM
implementation to go along with every new/modified hook. The
implementation forces you to think about what information is necessary
to perform a basic access control decision; sometimes it isn't always
obvious until you have to write the access control :)
I spoke to Frederick at length during LSS and as I've been given to
understand there's a eBPF program that would immediately use this new
hook. Now I don't want to get into the whole "Is the eBPF LSM hook
infrastructure an LSM" but I think we can let this count as a legitimate
first user of this hook/code.
Yes, although it would be really helpful if there were a recognized upstream
for eBPF programs so that we could see not only that the hook is used but how
it is being used. It is possible (even likely) that someone will want to change
either the interface or the caller some day. Without having the eBPF that
depends on it, it's hard to determine if a change would be a regression.
[aside: If you would like to explore the SELinux implementation let me
know, I'm happy to work with you on this. I suspect Casey and the
other LSM maintainers would also be willing to do the same for their
LSMs.]
I can take a shot at making a SELinux implementation, but the question
becomes: is that for v2 or a later patch? I don't think the implementation
for SELinux would be too complicated (i.e. make a call to avc_has_perm()?)
but, testing and revisions might take a bit longer.
In this particular case I think the calling task's credentials are
generally all that is needed. You mention that the newly created
Agreed.
namespace would be helpful, so I'll ask: what info in the new ns do
you believe would be helpful in making an access decision about its
creation?
In the other thread [1], there was mention of xattr mapping support. As I
understand Caseys response to this thread [2], that feature is no longer
requested for this hook.
I think that is an orthogonal problem at least wrt to this hook.
Agreed. It was always a look deeply into the future sort of thing.
At this point I don't see anything blocking the proposed hook moving
forward.
Users can still access the older parent ns from the passed in cred, but I
was thinking of handling the transition point here. There's probably more
suitable hooks for that case.
Yes.