RE: [PATCHv7 00/14] mm, x86/cc: Implement support for unaccepted memory

[Yao, Jiewen]

Hey
I posted my comment on Bugzilla https://bugzilla.tianocore.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3987

Let's achieve EDKII/UEFI related discussion there.

Thank you
Yao, Jiewen

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> Subject: Re: [PATCHv7 00/14] mm, x86/cc: Implement support for unaccepted
> memory
> 
> > I've talked with our firmware expert today and I think we have a problem
> > with the approach when kernel declaries support of unaccepted memory.
> >
> 
> Is this Jiewen Yao? I've been trying to design the UEFI spec change
> with him. The bootloader problem he commented with this morning was
> something I wasn't fully considering.
> 
> > This apporach doesn't work if we include bootloader into the picture: if
> > EBS() called by bootloader we still cannot know if target kernel supports
> > unaccepted memory and we return to the square 1.
> >
> > I think we should make it obvious from a kernel image if it supports
> > unaccepted memory (with UTS_VERSION or other way).
> >
> > Any comments?
> 
> Is this binary parsing trick already used in EDK2? If not, I wouldn't
> want to introduce an ABI-solidifying requirement like that.
> 
> A bit more cumbersome, but more flexible way to enable the feature is
> an idea I had in a meeting today:
> Make unaccepted memory support a feature-enabling EFI driver installed
> to the EFI system partition.
> 
> * The first time you boot (setup mode), you install an EFI driver that
> just sets a feature Pcd to true (using a custom protocol as Ard had
> suggested above).
> * The second time you boot, if the feature Pcd is true, then the UEFI
> is free to not accept memory and use the unaccepted memory type. The
> bootloader will run after unaccepted memory has been allowed already,
> so there is no accept-all event.
> 
> The default behavior will be to accept all memory when GetMemoryMap is
> called unless the feature pcd is set to true.
> 
> We can then say this driver isn't needed once some new generation of
> this technology comes along and we can require unaccepted memory
> support as part of that technology's baseline, or we manage to update
> the UEFI spec to have GetMemoryMapEx which has unaccepted memory
> support baked in and the bootloaders all know to use it.
> 
> The cloud experience will be, "is boot slow? Install this EFI driver
> from the cloud service provider" to tell the UEFI to enable unaccepted
> memory.
> 
> --
> -Dionna Glaze, PhD (she/her)