Re: Planned changes for to reduce the "Bugzilla blues"

From: Artem S. Tashkinov
Date: Sun Oct 02 2022 - 15:44:03 EST

On 10/2/22 15:05, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote:
On Sun, Oct 02, 2022 at 12:49:04PM +0000, Artem S. Tashkinov wrote:
I've mentioned it a dozen times already - you're unhappy with emails
from bugzilla? Go there and unsubscribe. It takes a minute and we're
talking as if it's the actual issue we are dealing with. It's not.
Bugzilla maintenance and its up-to-date status are the issues.

I think you're working from the wrong conception that maintainers want to
receive (or even be aware) of bug reports. Maintainers want *PATCHES*, not bug
reports. You're asking senior engineers to do first-line QA.

This is why your suggestion to auto-subscribe maintainers to bug reports is
the absolutely wrong way to go about it. The maintainers will complain that
they're being inundated with spam and junk reports, and bug reporters will
complain that they are being treated rudely (because this is how a senior
engineer trying to get succinct information comes across). You know that meme
from Fallout with the words "[Everyone hated that]" on it?

There's no need to exaggerate or say words like "inundated", please
refer to my previous emails about bugzilla stats.

Again, to remind everyone, bugzilla sees around ~20 bug reports
_weekly_. There are hundreds of active of kernel developers. That means
for a single bug report maybe a couple of people will receive maybe a
few emails per week.

Is this really an _issue_?

Why are people are now blowing stuff out of proportion for no reason?
This conversation alone has already seen close to three dozen emails and
no one is complaining.

And if we force developers to get Bugzilla spam whether they want it
not, and they said, "absolutely not", is it there right to have the
mailing list gateway disabled --- and if so, what does that do to the
user experience? Thats basically the situation we have right now.

As I've said many times already: bugzilla must be an opt-out, not opt-in

Please listen to the actual maintainers telling you that this won't work and
will just lead to bugzilla being added to everyone's block list (that's even
faster than logging in to bugzilla, finding where to change the default
assignee, etc).

It feels to me there are no actual maintainers here. Just random people
who oppose to a imaginary torrent of emails they've never actually seen.

At the same time everyone here is OK getting a hundred emails from LKML