Re: Planned changes for to reduce the "Bugzilla blues"

From: Geert Uytterhoeven
Date: Tue Oct 04 2022 - 08:32:45 EST

Hi Artem,

On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 2:16 PM Artem S. Tashkinov <aros@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 10/3/22 14:20, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> > On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 09:40:43 +0000
> > "Artem S. Tashkinov" <aros@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> For instance, I've CC'ed Linus Torvalds _privately_ from Bugzilla twice
> >> and he _chimed_ in and _helped_ resolve the bugs.
> >
> > You didn't Cc Linus _privately_, because you Cc'd him from Bugzilla. I'm
> > guessing that means it's a public conversation. Which is similar to Cc'ing
> > a maintainer and a public mailing list.
> I _did_ CC him privately by adding his _personal_ e-mail. I'm astonished
> not only you don't believe me you turn my words inside out.

I think there is a misunderstanding of the meaning of "CC privately".
To me it means no public data disclosing entity (be it a public mailing
list, or a public bug tracker) was CCed as well.
To you, it seems to mean you used his personal email address instead
of a mailing list address.

> Wow, so pretty much the vast majority of people here advocate for
> deprecating Bugzilla and asking non-IT people to use something which is
> essentially a ... SPAM list?
> Woah.
> I've given almost a dozen reasons why mailing lists simply don't work as
> a bug tracker in absolute most cases.

And people disagree. No amount of "Woah" will change that, only
facts and figures can do.

> BTW, this discussion is a perfect f-ing example of that. What could have
> been easily read in a tracker needs to be repeated over and over and
> over again because you didn't bother to read previous messages 'cause
> you were busy, not paying attention, simply forgot and you don't want to
> scroll days of messages in your inbox.
> God, this is so ugly it's cringe worthy.
> Most people here who advocate for killing off Bugzilla:
> 1) Have _never_ used it
> 2) Have troubles even following _this_ conversation
> That' ridiculous.

Thanks for your insults.
This is not the way to convince people.

P.S. I did read all of it, I may stop doing so soon...



Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
-- Linus Torvalds