Re: [PATCH] overlayfs: Trigger file re-evaluation by IMA / EVM after writes

[Stefan Berger]

On 4/6/23 17:24, Jeff Layton wrote:
> On Thu, 2023-04-06 at 16:22 -0400, Stefan Berger wrote:
> > On 4/6/23 15:37, Jeff Layton wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2023-04-06 at 15:11 -0400, Stefan Berger wrote:
> > > > On 4/6/23 14:46, Jeff Layton wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 2023-04-06 at 17:01 +0200, Christian Brauner wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu, Apr 06, 2023 at 10:36:41AM -0400, Paul Moore wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Correct. As long as IMA is also measuring the upper inode then it seems
> > > > > like you shouldn't need to do anything special here.
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately IMA does not notice the changes. With the patch provided in the other email IMA works as expected.
> > >
> > >
> > > It looks like remeasurement is usually done in ima_check_last_writer.
> > > That gets called from __fput which is called when we're releasing the
> > > last reference to the struct file.
> > >
> > > You've hooked into the ->release op, which gets called whenever
> > > filp_close is called, which happens when we're disassociating the file
> > > from the file descriptor table.
> > >
> > > So...I don't get it. Is ima_file_free not getting called on your file
> > > for some reason when you go to close it? It seems like that should be
> > > handling this.
> >
> > I would ditch the original proposal in favor of this 2-line patch shown here:
> >
> > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-integrity/a95f62ed-8b8a-38e5-e468-ecbde3b221af@xxxxxxxxxxxxx/T/#m3bd047c6e5c8200df1d273c0ad551c645dd43232
>
> Ok, I think I get it. IMA is trying to use the i_version from the
> overlayfs inode.
>
> I suspect that the real problem here is that IMA is just doing a bare
> inode_query_iversion. Really, we ought to make IMA call
> vfs_getattr_nosec (or something like it) to query the getattr routine in
> the upper layer. Then overlayfs could just propagate the results from
> the upper layer in its response.

You mean compare known stat against current ? It seems more expensive to stat the file
rather than using the simple i_version-has-changed indicator.

> That sort of design may also eventually help IMA work properly with more
> exotic filesystems, like NFS or Ceph.

And these don't support i_version at all?

   Stefan