Re: [RFC PATCH] mm, memcg: introduce memory.high.throttle

[Waiman Long]

On 1/30/25 3:15 AM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Wed 29-01-25 14:12:04, Waiman Long wrote:
> > Since commit 0e4b01df8659 ("mm, memcg: throttle allocators when failing
> > reclaim over memory.high"), the amount of allocator throttling had
> > increased substantially. As a result, it could be difficult for a
> > misbehaving application that consumes increasing amount of memory from
> > being OOM-killed if memory.high is set. Instead, the application may
> > just be crawling along holding close to the allowed memory.high memory
> > for the current memory cgroup for a very long time especially those
> > that do a lot of memcg charging and uncharging operations.
> >
> > This behavior makes the upstream Kubernetes community hesitate to
> > use memory.high. Instead, they use only memory.max for memory control
> > similar to what is being done for cgroup v1 [1].
> Why is this a problem for them?
My understanding is that a mishaving container will hold up memory.high 
amount of memory for a long time instead of getting OOM killed sooner 
and be more productively used elsewhere.
> > To allow better control of the amount of throttling and hence the
> > speed that a misbehving task can be OOM killed, a new single-value
> > memory.high.throttle control file is now added. The allowable range
> > is 0-32.  By default, it has a value of 0 which means maximum throttling
> > like before. Any non-zero positive value represents the corresponding
> > power of 2 reduction of throttling and makes OOM kills easier to happen.
> I do not like the interface to be honest. It exposes an implementation
> detail and casts it into a user API. If we ever need to change the way
> how the throttling is implemented this will stand in the way because
> there will be applications depending on a behavior they were carefuly
> tuned to.
>
> It is also not entirely sure how is this supposed to be used in
> practice? How do people what kind of value they should use?
Yes, I agree that a user may need to run some trial runs to find a 
proper value. Perhaps a simpler binary interface of "off" and "on" may 
be easier to understand and use.
> > System administrators can now use this parameter to determine how easy
> > they want OOM kills to happen for applications that tend to consume
> > a lot of memory without the need to run a special userspace memory
> > management tool to monitor memory consumption when memory.high is set.
> Why cannot they achieve the same with the existing events/metrics we
> already do provide? Most notably PSI which is properly accounted when
> a task is throttled due to memory.high throttling.

That will require the use of a userspace management agent that looks for 
these stalling conditions and make the kill, if necessary. There are 
certainly users out there that want to get some benefit of using 
memory.high like early memory reclaim without the trouble of handling 
these kind of stalling conditions.

Cheers,
Longman