Re: [PATCH] Revert "mm, hugetlb: remove hugepages_treat_as_movable sysctl"

[David Hildenbrand]

On 08.10.25 17:23, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Wed 08-10-25 17:14:26, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > On 08.10.25 16:59, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > On Wed 08-10-25 10:58:23, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > > > On 07.10.25 23:44, Gregory Price wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > > > @@ -926,7 +927,8 @@ static inline gfp_t htlb_alloc_mask(struct hstate *h)
> > > > >     {
> > > > >     	gfp_t gfp = __GFP_COMP | __GFP_NOWARN;
> > > > > -	gfp |= hugepage_movable_supported(h) ? GFP_HIGHUSER_MOVABLE : GFP_HIGHUSER;
> > > > > +	gfp |= (hugepage_movable_supported(h) || hugepages_treat_as_movable) ?
> > > > > +	       GFP_HIGHUSER_MOVABLE : GFP_HIGHUSER;
> > > >
> > > > I mean, this is as ugly as it gets.
> > > >
> > > > Can't we just let that old approach RIP where it belongs? :)
> > > >
> > > > If something unmovable, it does not belong on ZONE_MOVABLE, as simple as that.
> > >
> > > yes, I do agree. This is just muddying the semantic of the zone.
> > >
> > > Maybe what we really want is to have a configurable zone rather than a
> > > very specific consumer of it instead. What do I mean by that? We clearly
> > > have physically (DMA, DMA32) and usability (NORMAL, MOVABLE) constrained
> > > zones. So rather than having a MOVABLE zone we can have a single zone
> > > $FOO_NAME zone with configurable attributes - like allocation
> > > constrains (kernel, user, movable, etc). Now that we can overlap zones
> > > this should allow for quite a lot flexibility. Implementation wise this
> > > would require some tricks as we have 2 zone types for potentially 3
> > > different major usecases (kernel allocations, userspace reserved ranges
> > > without movability and movable allocations). I haven't thought this
> > > through completely and mostly throwing this as an idea (maybe won't
> > > work). Does that make sense?
> >
> > I suggested something called PREFER_MOVABLE in the past, that would prefer
> > movable allocations but nothing would stop unmovable allocations to end up
> > on it. But only as a last resort or when explicitly requested (e.g.,
> > gigantic pages).
> >
> > Maybe that's similar to what you have in mind?
>
> Slightly different because what I was thinking about was more towards
> guarantee/predictability. Last resort is quite hard to plan around. It
> might be a peak memory pressure to eat up portion of a memory block and
> then fragmenting it to prevent other use planned for that memroy block.
> That is why I called it user allocations because those are supposed to
> be configured for userspace consumation and planned for that use. So you
> would get pretty much a guarantee that no kernel allocations will fall
> there.

What could end up on it that would not already end up on ZONE_MOVABLE? I 
guess long-term pinned pages, secretmem, guest_memfd, gigantic pages.

Anything else?

I'm not quite clear yet on the use case, though. If all the user 
allocations end up fragmenting the memory, there is also not a lot of 
benefit to be had from that zone long term.

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Cheers

David / dhildenb